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  1. #1

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well one bloke left , as is tradition , a note to the incoming chancellor

    If it wasn't for gordan brown regulating the banks which your Tory lot voted against !!!!.........things would have been so much worse
    Yes and he also sold off most of the countries gold reserves cheaply and lost us billions of pounds in the process, so he deserves a special amount of praise for that !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well one bloke left , as is tradition , a note to the incoming chancellor

    If it wasn't for gordan brown regulating the banks which your Tory lot voted against !!!!.........things would have been so much worse
    How do you know that its my Tory lot by the way - I have voted for a number of different parties in the past but there is more chance of hell freezing over than me voting for these current ‘Labour bastards’ with their stalinist, anti-semitic, terrorist loving leader, shadow chancellor and policies designed to bankrupt the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    How do you know that its my Tory lot by the way - I have voted for a number of different parties in the past but there is more chance of hell freezing over than me voting for these current ‘Labour bastards’ with their stalinist, anti-semitic, terrorist loving leader, shadow chancellor and policies designed to bankrupt the country.
    Time out needed for this little tyke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    How do you know that its my Tory lot by the way - I have voted for a number of different parties in the past but there is more chance of hell freezing over than me voting for these current ‘Labour bastards’ with their stalinist, anti-semitic, terrorist loving leader, shadow chancellor and policies designed to bankrupt the country.
    Someone's been brainwashed by the Daily Mail

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Re. The Waspi promise, ok it’ll cost a lot of money but shouldn’t a few subtractions be made? What about the women who’ve passed away since the age increase? What about the extra tax and N.I. that’s been paid into the system by women who’ve had to carry on working from the age of 60 to 65? What about pension top up schemes that the women in this age group haven’t been able to claim as they aren’t now of retirement age? These women deserve it a bit more than bankers who were bailed out for much, much more than the cost of this. How much did this evil government pay to the DUP to shore them up? How much did the ridiculous referendum cost when the in or out should have been decided by people who we pay to make these vital, life changing decisions, our elected MPs? Money is wasted left, right & centre but this isn’t a waste if it’s reimbursed, it’s a moral duty by a country that has failed & conned human beings, very important to remember the people, they do matter.
    You are talking my language but are you saying that everyone who had their retirement age moved should be reimbursed?

    My mum fits into the category that waspi are campaigning to help but she doesn't think she is entitled, for a start she doesn't need the money and she also feels she was given enough notice. She believes that there are people entitled to be reimbursed, but that it is far below the figure cited by waspi.

    Agree fully with the principle that money has been spent or far less worthy causes but i think in the context of other more poignant causes I don't feel this is worth saddling the next generation with having to pay for it (especially since we will likely retire at 70+ despite having a similar life expectancy...)

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Zero hour contracts came to the fore between 2004 and 2009 (I know because I was one of the people who was made redundant at the time and put onto one by my employers) so this is not a Tory invention. It was as a result of the Countries financial problems at the time, presided over by a Labour Government, with many companies struggling and large numbers of properties being repossessed. The vast majority of jobs created since 2015 have been full or part time positions and at the same time tax free allowances and national/living wage rates have been increased dramatically, so it cannot possibly be said that the Economy has been poorly run in the last nine years.
    I am trying to work out if you are joking or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I am trying to work out if you are joking or not.
    Nope - sorry. Its not mandatory for all City supporters to be Socialist/Communists is it ?

  8. #8

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Nope - sorry. Its not mandatory for all City supporters to be Socialist/Communists is it ?
    Don't be a little boy. I am just struggling to think of an economic target that the Conservatives set themselves and then subsequently hit, on time. Seems to me that it is hard to claim undeniable success when they didn't even achieve their own aims.

  9. #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Don't be a little boy. I am just struggling to think of an economic target that the Conservatives set themselves and then subsequently hit, on time. Seems to me that it is hard to claim undeniable success when they didn't even achieve their own aims.
    Who does ? At least they have a go. Labour don't even bother to try e.g. Brexit - a clear committment in their manifesto

  10. #10

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    Can you imagine the leader of your country hiding away in a fridge! He is a pathetic, nasty, self entitled prick. Unfortunately our media are complicit in his rise particularly the abject BBC. I dread the next five years of hard right wing policies.
    It’s going to be very rough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Can you imagine the leader of your country hiding away in a fridge! He is a pathetic, nasty, self entitled prick. Unfortunately our media are complicit in his rise particularly the abject BBC. I dread the next five years of hard right wing policies.
    It’s going to be very rough.
    Your first sentence says it all, but I will add Johnson's very strange reaction of taking a reporter's phone and sticking it in his pocket when being asked an awkward question - did he think doing that would bring his tricky situation to an end? Leaving aside the litany of dubious and dodgy aspects of his professional and private life, who would want someone who behaves in such a bizarre manner running this country?

  12. #12

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    This video was from when Boris was in the Tory leadership contest a few months back, but the point made in it rings true for this election campaign.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1150350076377739266

    Someone should've locked him the fridge when the coward hid in it.

  13. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Can you imagine the leader of your country hiding away in a fridge! He is a pathetic, nasty, self entitled prick. Unfortunately our media are complicit in his rise particularly the abject BBC. I dread the next five years of hard right wing policies.
    It’s going to be very rough.
    Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it but I see the exact opposite. I dread five years of the country being run into the ground and bankrupted again by Labour. As usual, other people would have to pick up the bill, sort it out and get nothing but criticism for trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it but I see the exact opposite. I dread five years of the country being run into the ground and bankrupted again by Labour. As usual, other people would have to pick up the bill, sort it out and get nothing but criticism for trying.
    As opposed to being bankrupted by the Tories as we have been over the last 9 years?

    Fact - not one single independent fiscal organisation has agreed with the suggestion that Labour overspent prior to 2010, neither did it have any control over the financial crash. Fact - The Conservatives backed all of Labour's spending plans. Osborne recently confirmed this. Fact - Our debt has nearly tripled as a result of bailing out the banks. It could have been much lower but the Tories decided on tax cuts for the most well off and actively endorses tax avoidance by the big corporations (hence Brexit).

    This current government is hardly in any position to say it is better for the economy.

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    Speaking of the BBC... (you can't embed tweets on here, can you?)

    https://twitter.com/SocialistBloke/s...27659013898241

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Suppose every day ten men go into a bar and the bill for the drinks comes to £100. If they paid the bill the way we pay our taxes it would go something like this...
    The first four men ( the poorest) would pay nothing
    The fifth would pay £1
    The sixth would pay £3
    The seventh would pay £7
    The eighth would pay £12
    The ninth would pay £18
    the tenth ( the richest) would pay £59
    So that's what they decided to do.

    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed happy with the arrangement until one day the owner said that they have been good customers so the bar bill will be reduced in the future to £80
    The group still wanted to pay the bill the way we pay taxes...so the first four men were unaffected, They would drink for free.
    But what of the other six? The paying customers.
    How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone had their fair share?
    They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they subtracted that from each share the sixth man would end up being paid to drink his beer.
    So they decided that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was.
    So the fifth man, like the first four paid nothing ( 100%)
    The sixth paid £2 instead of £3 ( saving 33%)
    The seventh paid £5 instead of £7 ( saving 28%)
    The eighth paid £9 instead of £12 (saving25%)
    The ninth paid £14 instead of £18 (22%)
    The tenth( the richest) paid £49 instead of £59 (16%)
    Each of the six was better off than before and all was well until the sixth man said ..I only saved £1 of the £20
    That's right said the fifth man, I saved £1 too, but he got £10 back
    True said the seventh man, he got £10 and I got £2...The rich get all the breaks
    Wait a minute said the first four men...We got nothing at all. This just exploits the poor
    So...the nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up.
    The next day they met again at the bar but the tenth man didn't show. And when it came to pay the bill they discovered that without him they didn't have enough money to pay even half the bill.
    So that boys and girls, MPs and journalists is how the tax system works.
    The people who pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much and they may just not show up anymore
    For those who understand no explanation is needed.
    For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible
    It's a pretty shit analogy.

    Directly they are recieving the same thing (the pint) but it doesn't take into account the additional significant indirect benefits that the richer members of society experience when paying for vital services, these are exponential.

    Take a future billionaire at 3 years old and stick him in Somalia, does he still become a billionaire? Very unlikely... That billionaire has benefited incredibly from just being in the UK and continues to do so as they do business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It's a pretty shit analogy.

    Directly they are recieving the same thing (the pint) but it doesn't take into account the additional significant indirect benefits that the richer members of society experience when paying for vital services, these are exponential.

    Take a future billionaire at 3 years old and stick him in Somalia, does he still become a billionaire? Very unlikely... That billionaire has benefited incredibly from just being in the UK and continues to do so as they do business.
    Well that analogy isn't too bright either. But in your hypothetical example I guess it shows that the UK is a place where people can flourish

  18. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It's a pretty shit analogy.
    Can't you read? He said for those who understand no explanation is needed, for those who do not understand, no explanation is possible, he's a genius who's covered every possible base in terms of reactions to this analogy. And he copy pasted it off Facebook for that added gravitas

  19. #19

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    When Britian went Bust is a good read. Labour government 1964 to 1969 interest rates were at 26%, subsequent Labour government had to go to the EMF to be bailed out, then we had continuous strikes due to the control exercised by the Unions. Every time Labour leaves office there is a financial crisis of one sort or another and the same could well happen again with Labour's proposed borrowings with their so called fully costed manifesto which conveniently omits the £58m to fund the WASPI women. Labour has been in continuous control in Wales and takes the Welsh vote for granted and has done little for the Principality. Even the Cardiff Bay Barrage was a Tory funded initiative. The problem with the current election is that we have 3 of the worst leaders in living memory and when it comes down to it is a question of voting for the least worst option.

  20. #20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    When Britian went Bust is a good read. Labour government 1964 to 1969 interest rates were at 26%, subsequent Labour government had to go to the EMF to be bailed out, then we had continuous strikes due to the control exercised by the Unions. Every time Labour leaves office there is a financial crisis of one sort or another and the same could well happen again with Labour's proposed borrowings with their so called fully costed manifesto which conveniently omits the £58m to fund the WASPI women. Labour has been in continuous control in Wales and takes the Welsh vote for granted and has done little for the Principality. Even the Cardiff Bay Barrage was a Tory funded initiative. The problem with the current election is that we have 3 of the worst leaders in living memory and when it comes down to it is a question of voting for the least worst option.
    Agree totally with this.

  21. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    When Britian went Bust is a good read. Labour government 1964 to 1969 interest rates were at 26%, subsequent Labour government had to go to the EMF to be bailed out, then we had continuous strikes due to the control exercised by the Unions. Every time Labour leaves office there is a financial crisis of one sort or another and the same could well happen again with Labour's proposed borrowings with their so called fully costed manifesto which conveniently omits the £58m to fund the WASPI women. Labour has been in continuous control in Wales and takes the Welsh vote for granted and has done little for the Principality. Even the Cardiff Bay Barrage was a Tory funded initiative. The problem with the current election is that we have 3 of the worst leaders in living memory and when it comes down to it is a question of voting for the least worst option.

    No it wasn't a Tory funded initiative , labour controlled Cardiff city council had already started developing Cardiff bay , private money built the barrage under the quango Cardiff bay development corporation

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Well that analogy isn't too bright either. But in your hypothetical example I guess it shows that the UK is a place where people can flourish
    Yeah, because of progressive taxation paying for public services, not in spite of it.

  23. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    No it wasn't a Tory funded initiative , labour controlled Cardiff city council had already started developing Cardiff bay , private money built the barrage under the quango Cardiff bay development corporation
    Considering I was personally involved in finding the money for the scheme I submit to your greater knowledge. Where do you think the money came from for the CBDC which also funded much of the surrounding infrastructure as well as the barrage itself.?

  24. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Considering I was personally involved in finding the money for the scheme I submit to your greater knowledge. Where do you think the money came from for the CBDC which also funded much of the surrounding infrastructure as well as the barrage itself.?
    Well my masters degree was on the Development of Cardiff bay from the initial work on Baltic house and Atlantic wharf and I know that it was private money and not central government that funded it all

    Courtesy of frank leavers

    You should know him

  25. #25

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    Going back to Sludge's point about his mum's carer wanting to vote Tory to keep the immigrants out (living in an area of low immigration), this mirrors how people voted Leave. Areas where the fear of immigrants taking "our jobs, our houses, our benefits" were likely to vote Leave and may well now vote Tory. It remains to be seen if there is a correlation between obesity levels/voting Leave and voting Tory in this election. Ditto less well educated, white working class were more likely to vote Leave. (Ref. Prof Danny Dorlings research) This seems to be Johnsons target market when it comes to lie repetition. Repeat a lie like "we are going to build 40 new hospitals" and eventually it becomes the truth amongst those who rely on recieved wisdom. BJ was even trying to get his background supporters repeating the lie, somewhat unenthusatically on their behalf.

    So, we won 3-2 this evening. Gary scored a 94th minute winner. What, you didn't know? Pass it on. It is the Truth. Anyone who says otherwise is liable to a knock on the door from the Thought Police. Sad times we live in.

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