Just for a bit of balance
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Just for a bit of balance
Here's a picture of Corbyn in Kent - campaigning for Rosie Duffield in Canterbury
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He’s been unfairly treated as an individual since he’s been leader because the party’s policies are hard to criticise so it’s attack the man but Duke of Kent? That’s the lamest attack so far, it’s even practically compulsory to be Duke of in Coronation St nowadays :
Difficult to criticise the Labour party policy of spending £170 billion of money that they haven't actually got and have to mortgage the country up to the eyeballs to achieve ?!! Corbyn unfairly treated as an individual even though he is a communist, terrorist supporting, anti-semitic leader. Give us a break please.Originally Posted by splott parker
He’s been unfairly treated as an individual since he’s been leader because the party’s policies are hard to criticise so it’s attack the man but Duke of Kent? That’s the lamest attack so far, it’s even practically compulsory to be Duke of in Coronation St nowadays :
I see you’ve fallen for it!
Nah, he just believed it when he was told, zero critical thinking. Corbyn the communist? Oh please....
He very much has.
Born --> believe everything you're told --> Die.
'our Jer will have my vote at approx 7pm tonight.
What do you mean when you say mortgage the country?
He doesn’t know. Even if we’re true, it’s better to mortgage the country than sell it off.
Ha ha ha! Oh DML, your child-like innocence is an inspiration to us all.
I was at his rally down my way on Saturday. Speaks well, no arrogance and was very well received by a largely young crowd 1000 strong. Dont think Johnson could do that.He’s been unfairly treated as an individual since he’s been leader because the party’s policies are hard to criticise so it’s attack the man but Duke of Kent? That’s the lamest attack so far, it’s even practically compulsory to be Duke of in Coronation St nowadays :
He is a decent man. Perhaps not a 'leader ' in the sense of the word but I would trust him over BJ to do the right thing for the country anytime.
Exactly, he doesn’t bluster like Johnson does to eat up time in each interview slot to avoid answering vital questions. He’s sometimes too honest for his own good, up front meeting IRA leaders to have a go at attempting to solve things (unlike Thatcher who was meeting them covertly because it wouldn’t look good for her and her party’s image), he’s been outspoken about the Israeli regime’s atrocities against Palestine (that’s supposed to be anti Semitic according to some, others think he’s got a valid point, it’s the regime he’s having a go at not Jews per se), he opposed Blair all the way over his ‘wars’ yet didn’t piss off and form another party like a few politicians do if they can’t get their own way within their party, he stayed, kept his own views and eventually became leader. Of course he’s not to everyone’s taste but he’s more palatable than Johnson. Neil Harris was a duffer on here four week ago.
Up front and honest? Do me a favour.
He was on Radio4 this morning and completely dodged the question when asked about his views on the IRA.
He probably thought that their cause was righteous but their actions in many cases deplorable. As i do.
The murders carried out by the IRA, UDA, UFF & the British Army were shocking and wrong and had to be stopped somehow, Corbyn is quite entitled to agree with the IRA’s cause, I certainly do, and at the same time condemn the atrocities, as do I. The ANC were abhorred by the Thatcher government but I reckon their leader will be more revered in history than that woman. It seems to me that Corbyn realised that jaw jaw was a better process than war war.
At this election we have a choice between:
- Create a fake fact-checking site on twitter and argue that everyone knows what CCHQ means therefore it wasn't misleading
- Imply that Channel 4 would use an ipad to make up fake information and therefore refuse to engage in discussion about the above - attempt to create distrust of the media rather than defending own record
- Have 88% of social media ads contain misleading/false information
- Create a false story about an aid being hit in the face by protestor to distract from Boris Johnson stealing a phone showing a photo of a pic he didn't wanted to see
- Refuse to engage with interviews where the governments record will be scrutinised. When scrutinised repeat slogans or try to speak about other party to not explain Conservative party beliefs.
- Threatening review of press rights to reduce chance of further scrutiny
- Priti Patel, previously booted out of the cabinet for secret meetings with another nation, making up stats in the Telegraph without being able to produce any evidence for this
- Lying on Question Time about how we spend more on Legal Aid than any other nation
- Suppress a report into Russian influence in UK politics that members of the Tory party say could be released before the election.
- Government which has serious issues with Islamaphobia
- Present misleading information about investment into police and the NHS
- Have lost the support of previous Tory Prime Ministers from the moderate wing of the party and gained support of Tommy Robinson
- The manifesto not contain much information at all but on page 48 it says, rather ominously stating the following:
"We will ensure that judicial review is available to protect the rights of the individuals against an overbearing state, while ensuring that it is not abused to conduct politics by another means or to create needless delays"
- Nicely followed by the reminder that the potential Prime Minister having been found to have lied to the Queen and unlawfully shut down parliament
Or,
- Manifesto that promises too much and government which has serious issues with anti-Semitism
If you vote Tory tomorrow you have most likely assisted in giving a majority to a party who are more likely to lie than explain their ideas and will use your vote to reshape politics to stop them being challenged/scrutinised further. All politicians lie? Stop voting for the politicians who lie then and start voting for the brilliant, local politicians who will engage with you and your local area, even if you share different beliefs
Very good post.
Exactly this.
It's so revealing that none of the old men who appeared on here yesterday trying to justify their voting intentions in this and another thread have tried to challenge, or even replied to, this message.
The sentence highlighted early on in this message goes to the heart of the matter, but there is so much more that Surge has listed and yet he makes no mention of Johnson's character and the strokes he pulled during his first few months in office before the election was called - remember when the Conservatives used to call themselves the party of law and order?
I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.
I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.
On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a lying shit, a of a rascal with the ladies to get a shag and a bit posh. He wants brexit - I don’t.
And on the other hand..
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
So it’s a tricky one really 🤷*♂ Local politicians it is
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;5028273]It's so revealing that none of the old men who appeared on here yesterday trying to justify their voting intentions in this and another thread have tried to challenge, or even replied to, this message.
The sentence highlighted early on in this message goes to the heart of the matter, but there is so much more that Surge has listed and yet he makes no mention of Johnson's character and the strokes he pulled during his first few months in office before the election was called - remember when the Conservatives used to call themselves the party of law and order?
What's so revealing about 'old Men' ( cheeky bugger) not responding. Are you suggesting we have no answers. Well Qs response will do for me.
Lets not forget that whatever your political colours this election has come about because parliament has not carried out the democratic will of the electorate who in 2016 voted to leave the EU. No ifs and buts just in or out. Nothing about a deal, being in the customer union, etc etc. The referendum was carried by a majority of 4%. Not overwhelming but significant.
Yet three years on parliament is doing its best to turn its back on it. Over 20 years ago we in Wales voted for the Welsh Assembly and the majority was 0.6%....A tiny majority. Yet, because it was a democratic. vote it was acted on.
So criticise Corbyn or Boris as much as you like, but don't forget that the politicians in both Cardiff and London are operating like a benevolent autocracy, saying that they know best, and sod the voters
he was forced into an apology,and a new Brexit stance at least we can now be a neutral country , need to fix his television for Xmas day .
I would have thought more of the alleged man of honesty if he had
Apologized and embraced antisemitism in his party years ago not let it be drag on
Admit he is not a royalist at heart , and its not his thing to watch the queen on Xmas Day ,however I respect the lady.
Do something to stop moderate centralist leaving.
Not bounce good people like Benn out of the cabinet
Stop dodging his past associations .
Admit he is a Brexiter and pick a side
Not apply the whip to MP's when he defied the party so many times as a rebel ( hypocrisy that one )
Never mind Mogg silence why not let Abbot , Keir Stamer , Thornbury , Watson speak freely
Let the ladies rise , like Eagle, Thornbury and Cooper .
What are your views on the IRA’s cause (not the paramilitary side of it) and the British army’s role? The atrocities were disgusting on both sides and it seems to me as though Corbyn was attempting to get people to talk rather than blow each other to bits.
Play it back , I listened to it and didn't get that impression
Post a link to it as you have brought it up , let people make their own minds up
Indeed
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