Exit Poll Its PM Boris with 80 odd majority

[Q]

That sounds like you're agreeing with me then to an extent. What needs to be kept track of is that significant numbers of working class voters who would have been thought of as dyed in the wool Labour chose to vote Leave in 2016 at a time when Corbyn had been leader for less than a year and antiSemitism was not the issue it became - I don't see that those subjects were that relevant then.

Yes, traditional labour voters voted leave. The current Labour Party is run by middle class from London boroughs, with no interest in traditional working class areas. Labour Party decisions are made by people from a few seats in London, not labour heartland. London voted to remain; those MP’s kept their seats... very socialist of them... that’s what people ignore the labour people running the party all kept their seats and their voters liked the remain message

The next labour leader will probably be a woman’s from the north to try and win those votes; will try to never mention brexit and will still push the same policies as the liberals have also shown there are no votes in the middle ground

[dml1954]

Maybe this is generation too; many people voting this time have no connection too the miners in their families besides some brass lamps in their grandparents house. Plus I think like brexit many older people wanted out of Europe as they incorrectly think rules from Europe and immigrants ruin the country. Is that stupid to think that or just poor education? Generally its down to the quality of information available

This is a golden example of why Labour just got hammered in the polls - Labour leaders, supporters and Momentum still believe that anyone who voted for Brexit or Conservatives must be stupid or ill educated. They have obviously learnt nothing from what has happened.

[surge]

This is a golden example of why Labour just got hammered in the polls - Labour leaders, supporters and Momentum still believe that anyone who voted for Brexit or Conservatives must be stupid or ill educated. They have obviously learnt nothing from what has happened.

There were certainly remainers who were arrogant in their vote in the initial referendum and aftermath but this arrogance was weaponised by the Tory party and Vote Leave who had done their best to promote ignorance through their misinformation campaign. I can honestly say that my understanding of the EU now is limited but it's so much more than was at the time of the initial referendum, and considering the bad information politician and pundits have come out with before and since I reckon, if being honest, most would say the same. It doesn't demonstrate ignorance to know you're not well informed, it demonstrates intelligence and maturity.

Wouldn't it negligent for people to i) not meet with leave voters and ask why they did it and ii) if they are best supported by staying in the EU to openly say that and pull in that direction? We instead have a government telling us not to believe in experts and predictions done by their own civil service and instead believe in Boris saying "well I tell you different." By the end, Arlene Foster (paid billions by the Tory party) said she didn't trust Boris!

Brexit being sorted by this vote is in itself misleading. We have a withdrawal agreement (as we would have if Boris etc. had voted with Theresa May) but Brexit isn't finished until we have a trade agreement with the EU. Brexit fatigue may make that a more rapid process but how many good decisions are made when fatigued and frustrated?

I mean, it's all done now, but ultimately we now have a government who changed their twitter handle to make it look like a fact-checking website (arguing CCHQ was understood enough that it wouldn't mislead people, suggesting the press would have adapted the website to encourage distrust in the media challenging them) are willing to create a fake news story regarding an aid getting hit to distract from a bad news story for our Prime Minister, have 88% of their social media ads be classed as misleading (compared to 0% of Labours)....we have a government who have promoted ignorance and won votes by telling voters the other side consider them stupid. Labour not responding well enough to that is not the biggest issue we have.

[The Lone Gunman]

This is a golden example of why Labour just got hammered in the polls - Labour leaders, supporters and Momentum still believe that anyone who voted for Brexit or Conservatives must be stupid or ill educated.

So you reckon there were no Labour leaders, supporters or Momentum officials who voted for Brexit?

Give your head a wobble, you idiot.

[Organ Morgan.]

The joy of government is that the people are stupid

That evil man Hitler said that and sadly there is more than a grain of truth in it

Churchill said it best.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Churchill said it best.

Only it was one of many quotes attributed to him that there is no evidence he ever uttered!

[Vindec]

He and his mob have to take the blame for much of this disaster

I would have liked that wakefield female mp to lead the party but she lost her seat

Mary Creagh would have been a good choice. There are many good female MPs in the Labour Party that have been ostracised by the hard left.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Churchill said it best.

Correct... Lots of average voters in this thread. Close to 100% I’d say.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Taking away the fact corbyn had a toxic image , fuelled by the right wing press and had an awful team behind him , the public will get what the public wants .......a race to the bottom and a return to the days of thatcher who Boris adored

Sadly there is a massive sting in the tale ........lack of housing , poor public services and a crumbling NHS

Don't say we didn't warn you

[Pearcey3]

Taking away the fact corbyn had a toxic image , fuelled by the right wing press and had an awful team behind him , the public will get what the public wants .......a race to the bottom and a return to the days of thatcher who Boris adored

Sadly there is a massive sting in the tale ........lack of housing , poor public services and a crumbling NHS

Don't say we didn't warn you

What I don’t want to hear is those that voted Tory start moaning in the years that follow. I have a feeling many are going to be disappointed and it will serve them right.

[Clinton Baptiste]

What I don’t want to hear is those that voted Tory start moaning in the years that follow. I have a feeling many are going to be disappointed and it will serve them right.

They'll have to go a long way to moan as much as you ****ing have over the years on this messagboard

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I think the reasons for the result are pretty obvious - people sick of Brexit and wanting to move on, and Labour having an unelectable leader. One thing I will never understand though is people like this woman in this article about Bolsover, where Dennis Skinner's lost his seat:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50777371

Karen Hepworth, 62, who runs a crafts stall in Bolsover, would not say how she had voted but blamed Jeremy Corbyn for the result.

"Everyone says the same thing: they don't like him and they're fed up with Brexit.

"We have absolutely nothing - it's disgraceful.

"If we lived down south, we'd not have this problem but they don't spend money here."

How can she blame Labour and Corbyn for the fact that no money is spent in Bolsover when the Tories have been in power for a decade?

I don't understand how people can be angry about the lack of investment in their communities and that translates into resentment of the party that's been in opposition, not the one in power. "The Tories don't spend any money on us so there's no way I'm voting Labour"

[life on mars]

I think the other issue is a lot of folk in the country see the labour as a left London elite and are sooo out of touch ,and Mr Johnosn tapped into that well and Labour spectacular failed , well before JC in 2010 Labour had 41 seats in Scotland

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Anyone want to guess how long until we get the report looking at Russian interference in our political system?

[NYCBlue]

Anyone want to guess how long until we get the report looking at Russian interference in our political system?

Well there were definitely bots at work on Facebook earlier this week. It would be naive to think that Russia made no attempt to swing the election in its desired direction. If it's chaos they wanted, they're going to get it.

[surge]

https://twitter.com/ItsMattCurtis/st...05663788175362

Stanley Johnson talking about women wearing burqas flying planes.....how did the conversation go there??

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

I haven't really seen any sign of it on social media today but it might be worth Labour looking at itself rather than looking for reasons for its defeat elsewhere. Yes of course the media is biased against Labour. It always has been. I remember hearing Jimmy Reid the shipbuilding unionist speaking in the 80s where he was ridiculing the left who complained that they'd have more success if it wasn't for the capitalist press. He compared it to saying your horse might win the Grand National if it wasn't for the fences.

Attlee, Wilson, Blair managed it. Maybe there is a reason why this Labour Party with the policies it adopted didn't which lies within? All I've seen today is more name-calling and demonising of the people who the party was trying to get onside before the election and will need to win over if they are ever to get elected again.

[the other bob wilson]

I haven't really seen any sign of it on social media today but it might be worth Labour looking at itself rather than looking for reasons for its defeat elsewhere. Yes of course the media is biased against Labour. It always has been. I remember hearing Jimmy Reid the shipbuilding unionist speaking in the 80s where he was ridiculing the left who complained that they'd have more success if it wasn't for the capitalist press. He compared it to saying your horse might win the Grand National if it wasn't for the fences.

Attlee, Wilson, Blair managed it. Maybe there is a reason why this Labour Party with the policies it adopted didn't which lies within? All I've seen today is more name-calling and demonising of the people who the party was trying to get onside before the election and will need to win over if they are ever to get elected again.

I think Labour have got to prove in the coming years that they are more than just an inward looking sect. Their boast of having the biggest membership of any political party in Europe means nothing as far as electorial success is concerned, but I fear it could ensure that we see them resorting more to the name calling and demonsing you talk about and in that direction lies oblivion as far as being a party which could form a Government is concerned.

[DubaiDai]

I think Labour have got to prove in the coming years that they are more than just an inward looking sect. Their boast of having the biggest membership of any political party in Europe means nothing as far as electorial success is concerned, but I fear it could ensure that we see them resorting more to the name calling and demonsing you talk about and in that direction lies oblivion as far as being a party which could form a Government is concerned.

Unfortunately this was an election between a buffoon and a Marxist lefty that no one trusted.
If labour want to make a comeback they will need to drop these politicians of the 60’s and 70’s along with Len McCluskey and get someone more like Blair. Labour need the middle ground and leftist politics will never get them

[The Bloop]

It's income tax. The figures are from an independent, non-political organization. You could probably tell them all to F off to somewhere else and pay their £50 billion or so to another nation state..

https://www.theguardian.com/business...fiscal-studies

[A Quiet Monkfish]

https://www.theguardian.com/business...fiscal-studies

More like £60 billion then..

[Heathblue]

Just perhaps it would have better to let Johnson have his deal of a few months ago, he was weak then and could have been controlled , he's now in Pl ace for 5 years with a such a majority with that he can get anything through the House even with a bit of dissent, I was genuinely surprised to wake up this morning to the news, with the choice of candidates on offer wasn't really bothered who won, that said having a tory win with such a commanding majority is not something I would have wanted but not having voted, apparently I got what I deserved. I note that he still hasn't resigned as yet and taken his crew with him, if he's allowed any influence over the next leader then I'm certain I'll not see another Labour Pm, I'm sure BJ will be found out very soon by his new supporters but will Labour continue with a radical left which has just been given one massive FO tablet and blow it again, or will they modernise to an electable left leaning party.

[lardy]

Just perhaps it would have better to let Johnson have his deal of a few months ago, he was weak then and could have been controlled , he's now in Pl ace for 5 years with a such a majority with that he can get anything through the House even with a bit of dissent, I was genuinely surprised to wake up this morning to the news, with the choice of candidates on offer wasn't really bothered who won, that said having a tory win with such a commanding majority is not something I would have wanted but not having voted, apparently I got what I deserved. I note that he still hasn't resigned as yet and taken his crew with him, if he's allowed any influence over the next leader then I'm certain I'll not see another Labour Pm, I'm sure BJ will be found out very soon by his new supporters but will Labour continue with a radical left which has just been given one massive FO tablet and blow it again, or will they modernise to an electable left leaning party.

They did "let" him have his deal. He withdrew it.

[jon1959]

Just perhaps it would have better to let Johnson have his deal of a few months ago, he was weak then and could have been controlled , he's now in Pl ace for 5 years with a such a majority with that he can get anything through the House even with a bit of dissent, I was genuinely surprised to wake up this morning to the news, with the choice of candidates on offer wasn't really bothered who won, that said having a tory win with such a commanding majority is not something I would have wanted but not having voted, apparently I got what I deserved. I note that he still hasn't resigned as yet and taken his crew with him, if he's allowed any influence over the next leader then I'm certain I'll not see another Labour Pm, I'm sure BJ will be found out very soon by his new supporters but will Labour continue with a radical left which has just been given one massive FO tablet and blow it again, or will they modernise to an electable left leaning party.

1. Didn't Johnson's Brexit Deal (aka Theresa May's deal with an Irish Sea border) get passed by MPs in October. They wanted time to deal with it properly (so end January not end October deadline) but it was Johnson (who voted against Brexit twice) who pulled the plug!

2. The 'radical left' leader of the Labour Party took them to 41% (against Tory 43%) of the vote with a similar, popular, manifesto in 2017. True there have been two and a half years more of concerted attacks from the media and the other side in the Labour civil war which has caused him more damage, but the real difference is the Brexit stance. Labour did not have a 'get off the fence' option and it killed them. Corbyn was also less effective and less of a surprise in the campaign this time around - but that cannot explain the scale of the loss of leave voting heartland seats.

3. I hope Corbyn resigns the leadership sooner rather than later, but he is right to tie the timing in to a new leadership election process - and that should be down to the Labour party to decide, not Laura Kuenssberg or the Mail Online. But it should be done as quickly as possible (as should an internal review of why they failed so badly - especially as McDonnell and others really expected a repeat of 2017 in the final days).

[DubaiDai]

1. Didn't Johnson's Brexit Deal (aka Theresa May's deal with an Irish Sea border) get passed by MPs in October. They wanted time to deal with it properly (so end January not end October deadline) but it was Johnson (who voted against Brexit twice) who pulled the plug!

2. The 'radical left' leader of the Labour Party took them to 41% (against Tory 43%) of the vote with a similar, popular, manifesto in 2017. True there have been two and a half years more of concerted attacks from the media and the other side in the Labour civil war which has caused him more damage, but the real difference is the Brexit stance. Labour did not have a 'get off the fence' option and it killed them. Corbyn was also less effective and less of a surprise in the campaign this time around - but that cannot explain the scale of the loss of leave voting heartland seats.

3. I hope Corbyn resigns the leadership sooner rather than later, but he is right to tie the timing in to a new leadership election process - and that should be down to the Labour party to decide, not Laura Kuenssberg or the Mail Online. But it should be done as quickly as possible (as should an internal review of why they failed so badly - especially as McDonnell and others really expected a repeat of 2017 in the final days).

Jon, when May called the election in 2017 she wrongly took advice that she was in a fairly strong position, which was totally untrue.
Also since then the public perception is that a Cornyn has continually frustrated the leave vote and then taken any of the Tory pledges, only to increase the funding promises beyond reasonable limits. Without Torres saying much more Corbyn lost his credibility.
The country needs a strong Labour Party to be successful but far left thinking is now alienating them more and more