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Thread: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    IMO the two main factors for Labour's electoral defeat were:

    1. The classical Labour-supporting "working class man/woman" as defined in the 1900's no longer exists.
    2. The "centre ground" has been taken by the Tories so Labour has no where to go.

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    IMO the two main factors for Labour's electoral defeat were:

    1. The classical Labour-supporting "working class man/woman" as defined in the 1900's no longer exists.
    2. The "centre ground" has been taken by the Tories so Labour has no where to go.
    Think your right and that is a worry as effective opposition makes effective government, just wish Labour could wake up and smell the roses.

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Think your right and that is a worry as effective opposition makes effective government, just wish Labour could wake up and smell the roses.
    Or coffee.

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Or coffee.
    'The Labour Party - sponsored by Costa'?

    There are some parts of the Parliamentary Labour Party that wouldn't see a problem!

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    This is an interesting review of the international picture - rise of right wing populism and collapse of the centre left with a few notable exceptions - by Owen Jones:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-global-trend

    If the Labour inquest and leadership election is to avoid passing backwards (Blair) or sideways (European social democracy) and move forward with pace power and accuracy (a reinvented, popular and collaborative but radical Labour Party?) then this sort of review and analysis must be part of the process.

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    This is an interesting review of the international picture - rise of right wing populism and collapse of the centre left with a few notable exceptions - by Owen Jones:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-global-trend

    If the Labour inquest and leadership election is to avoid passing backwards (Blair) or sideways (European social democracy) and move forward with pace power and accuracy (a reinvented, popular and collaborative but radical Labour Party?) then this sort of review and analysis must be part of the process.
    Was a good read its a pity he didnt explore more the sucess of the SNP, and their version of Nationalism/Socialism , is that a form of right wing nationalism or left wing nationalism ,we know its popular, why doesnt Labour follow that route ??

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Was a good read its a pity he didnt explore more the sucess of the SNP, and their version of Nationalism/Socialism , is that a form of right wing nationalism or left wing nationalism ,we know its popular, why doesnt Labour follow that route ??
    A lot of former Labour supporters did.

    Not sure what the national Labour Party could do though to emulate the SNP - as most of the policies bar independence were very similar. The SNP has evolved from a cultural/conservative party of 50 years ago to a progressive left party (much like Plaid and Sinn Fein). For Labour to follow the SNP route they would have had to call for Scottish independence and that isn't in their DNA or in their electoral interests.

    The SNP/Plaid/Greens though are now natural allies of Labour - and in the future there may well be deals on semi-formal collaboration. Labour could do with someone as smart, articulate and experienced as Nicola Sturgeon - she would wipe the floor with most of the current crop of leadership candidates.

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    Re: Corbyn still doesn't get it, but Jess Phillips does.

    Impressed there's been no bad in fighting so far between the candidates.

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