Off Topic, Geetars

[Heathblue]

I read this Morning that the Iconic Green Telecaster of Francis Rossi has sold for £19,000.00, he bought it second hand for £75.00, obviously there are more famous vintage Geetars, Clapton's Black Strat being one of many, but If I had dough!!! then it's this green Telecaster I'd want to own.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...tion-119k.html

[Tuerto]

I read this Morning that the Iconic Green Telecaster of Francis Rossi has sold for £19,000.00, he bought it second hand for £75.00, obviously there are more famous vintage Geetars, Clapton's Black Strat being one of many, but If I had dough!!! then it's this green Telecaster I'd want to own.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...tion-119k.html

I've always wondered how people distinguish between a brilliant guitar player and an average one, or one that's not very good. I hear people say that certain players are brilliant etc, but to me they all sound fantastic unless it's glaringly obvious that they're shit.

I reckon that i can spot a decent footballer because i've played and been coached, i sort of understand the game, is that the same with music, how can other people hear something that i can't? or maybe i can!

[Veg1960]

I've always wondered how people distinguish between a brilliant guitar player and an average one, or one that's not very good. I hear people say that certain players are brilliant etc, but to me they all sound fantastic unless it's glaringly obvious that they're shit.

I reckon that i can spot a decent footballer because i've played and been coached, i sort of understand the game, is that the same with music, how can other people hear something that i can't? or maybe i can!

I think you may be right. I've played guitar for many, many years and although I'm bang average I reckon I can tell a good player when I hear one.

That green Tele is lush!

[Tuerto]

I think you may be right. I've played guitar for many, many years and although I'm bang average I reckon I can tell a good player when I hear one.

That green Tele is lush!

That's what i mean, your ear is more educated than mine when it comes to music, you can probably spot certain intricacies that i can't. If i hear a song and i like it, then i like it! I have no idea how gifted the musicians are.

[Wales-Bales]

That's what i mean, your ear is more educated than mine when it comes to music, you can probably spot certain intricacies that i can't. If i hear a song and i like it, then i like it! I have no idea how gifted the musicians are.

There are two aspects to consider, either playing for the song, or overplaying to make yourself the centre of attention (and a bit of a tw@t). I prefer the less is more approach, and here is a good example. Ronnie Wood on guitar, and Ronnie Lane on bass were at the top of their game.

[Tuerto]

There are two aspects to consider, either playing for the song, or overplaying to make yourself the centre of attention (and a bit of a tw@t). I prefer the less is more approach, and here is a good example. Ronnie Wood on guitar, and Ronnie Lane on bass were at the top of their game.

Thanks for that. I still don't understand how people can tell the difference between really good and average. I can understand someone who has been trained in music spotting the differences but not the average punter. Maybe i'm trying to be to logical and if it sounds good then it's good?

[City123]

There are two aspects to consider, either playing for the song, or overplaying to make yourself the centre of attention (and a bit of a tw@t). I prefer the less is more approach, and here is a good example. Ronnie Wood on guitar, and Ronnie Lane on bass were at the top of their game.

A lot of it does come down to personal preference mind. What you may consider "overplaying" is just what some songs need, the best guitarists find a balance between the two.

Matt Bellamy from Muse is a good example of this, he knows when to "show off" to a certain extent but also when to hold back

[Baloo]

There are two aspects to consider, either playing for the song, or overplaying to make yourself the centre of attention (and a bit of a tw@t). I prefer the less is more approach, and here is a good example. Ronnie Wood on guitar, and Ronnie Lane on bass were at the top of their game.

Paul Kossoff

[Heathblue]

This is all about the Guitar not the player , 1973 and always watching top of the pops, 12 years old a wanna be guitarist,
in a School band at St Illtyds, endless arguments with Quo fans who thought that Rossi was better than Dave Hill (He was, but I wasn't having it ,
the Telecaster is my favourite guitar, I still have one, Caroline is my daughters name, but getting back to axemen/women
I've always favoured guitarists that create a sound rather than playing 500 MPH, Brian May, Mark Knopfler, The edge etc.

[Wales-Bales]

1973 and always watching top of the pops, 12 years old a wanna be guitarist, in a School band at St Illtyds, endless arguments with Quo fans who thought that Rossi was better than Dave Hill (He was, but I wasn't having it

The correct answer is Mick Ronson

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

The correct answer is Mick Ronson

Massively under-rated guitarist. Didn't muck around, just did what needed superbly. My second ever gig was to see Mick Ronson on his first solo tour.

[Wales-Bales]

Massively under-rated guitarist. Didn't muck around, just did what needed superbly. My second ever gig was to see Mick Ronson on his first solo tour.

There is a clip on YouTube where he plays Gene Genie on a Telecaster and it sounds just like a Les Paul .. proof that the sound is all in the fingers

[Cyclops]

There is a clip on YouTube where he plays Gene Genie on a Telecaster and it sounds just like a Les Paul .. proof that the sound is all in the fingers

That presumes a great deal.
What pick-ups and amp was he using?
It's so easy to simulate a Les Paul sound - even more so these days with plug-ins and FX processors.

I've given a lot of thought to how to define great guitarists and concluded that it's a very individual choice (no surprise there!) and you can tell who you think is great by how often you listen to them playing.
I acknowledge that Hendrix was a trail-blazer, but I can't listen to him playing for long.
Blackmore: I can listen to in his early Purple days, but he loses his neo-classical touch for several of his Rainbow solos.

[ToTaL ITK]

There is a clip on YouTube where he plays Gene Genie on a Telecaster and it sounds just like a Les Paul .. proof that the sound is all in the fingers

Garbage..now we know you are limited on football knowledge but here you are right out of your depth.
Find a guitarist that can make a strat sound like a les paul or a fender precision like a wal ...good luck

[Wales-Bales]

I read this Morning that the Iconic Green Telecaster of Francis Rossi has sold for £19,000.00, he bought it second hand for £75.00, obviously there are more famous vintage Geetars, Clapton's Black Strat being one of many, but If I had dough!!! then it's this green Telecaster I'd want to own.

£19k is a bargain, but I wouldn't pay £119k for it! I also heard the guitar has been knackered for a long time and doesn't play very well

When I was growing up it was all about football, music & clothes. Happy days

[Heathblue]

£19k is a bargain, but I wouldn't pay £119k though I also heard the guitar has been knackered for a long time and doesn't play well

19k, quack quack oops visitor knocked the door before i had time to proof so just pressed submit honest

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

This is all about the Guitar not the player , 1973 and always watching top of the pops, 12 years old a wanna be guitarist,
in a School band at St Illtyds, endless arguments with Quo fans who thought that Rossi was better than Dave Hill (He was, but I wasn't having it ,
the Telecaster is my favourite guitar, I still have one, Caroline is my daughters name, but getting back to axemen/women
I've always favoured guitarists that create a sound rather than playing 500 MPH, Brian May, Mark Knopfler, The edge etc.

The best metal bands play it slow

Slayer used to do a load of fret wanking in their early days but they are at their most menacing when they let their sabbath grinding riffing shine through

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I hate endless solos , for me it's all about the sound not the speed

The who had it sorted on occasion , a great back line rhythm section and simple snappy guitar from big nose

The jam were the same

Metal wise it has to be sabbath , a lot of their material has no solos at all , just grinding distorted demonic riffing at slow speed

[Wales-Bales]

I hate endless solos , for me it's all about the sound not the speed

The who had it sorted on occasion , a great back line rhythm section and simple snappy guitar from big nose

The jam were the same

Metal wise it has to be sabbath , a lot of their material has no solos at all , just grinding distorted demonic riffing at slow speed

That's why you can listen to a wide range of music.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The edge, it's all delay, repeats, harmonics etc. they say when trashing him, but he does better than anybody else doing this stuff and that's what makes him stand out, there are millions of EVH out there.

I will follow , bad , classic simple riffs

In my life by the Beatles, timeless

Actually the Beatles were quite heavy

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The biggest revolt against overplaying was punk rock, and it was based on the playing of a handful of early 70's guitarists. I don't mind a bit of fancy playing, and I like John Frusciante who can rip with the best of them, but he also knows when to play for the song. It takes a lot of restraint to do that.

James iha from the smashing pumpkins is the master of the understated riff

[NYCBlue]

James iha from the smashing pumpkins is the master of the understated riff

All of the song writing and most of the guitar work on Smashing Pumpkins records is done by Billy Corgan.

[Heathblue]

I hate endless solos , for me it's all about the sound not the speed

The who had it sorted on occasion , a great back line rhythm section and simple snappy guitar from big nose

The jam were the same

Metal wise it has to be sabbath , a lot of their material has no solos at all , just grinding distorted demonic riffing at slow speed

I saw Richie Blackmore and Tony iommi within a year of each other mid 70,s and I thought Iommi edged it, both brilliant players but the sound of Iommi was just better.

[Veg1960]

I saw Richie Blackmore and Tony iommi within a year of each other mid 70,s and I thought Iommi edged it, both brilliant players but the sound of Iommi was just better.

I love both of those, but for me Iommi is a very good player who wrote a load of amazing riffs. Blackmore was different class.

[NYCBlue]

I love both of those, but for me Iommi is a very good player who wrote a load of amazing riffs. Blackmore was different class.

Iommi is the RIFF KING. No one will ever come close.