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    No...no..no....yesterday's decision against Norwich and now Wolves goal disallowed...by millimetres...this is just WRONG......the FEET must be offside to disallow.

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    i agree that was harsh af... in real time that will have stood, i suppose that is what var is for but c'mon
    a foot, torso or head can be goal scoring body parts... but to be offside by cm of a arm or hand c'mon now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemoon View Post
    i agree that was harsh af... in real time that will have stood, i suppose that is what var is for but c'mon
    a foot, torso or head can be goal scoring body parts... but to be offside by cm of a arm or hand c'mon now

    Liverpool goal , fair enough, but the offside decisions are bordering on the ridiculous now.

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    I am waiting for an opposition manager to come out and say "that should have been a goal...."

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    unfortunately in this case it was the foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philbccfc View Post
    unfortunately in this case it was the foot.
    it wasn't...

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    my mistake then , thought they said his boot was the cause.

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    Yet ANOTHER rediculous VAr decision...SHeff Utd denied a good goal.....looked level at best...t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    No...no..no....yesterday's decision against Norwich and now Wolves goal disallowed...by millimetres...this is just WRONG......the FEET must be offside to disallow.
    That's not the case though. Right? hopefully, it will be next year. It should be feet on the ground.

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    Itís here to stay. I wonder how far down the football pyramid it can go? Must cost a bit to implement it through the leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    No...no..no....yesterday's decision against Norwich and now Wolves goal disallowed...by millimetres...this is just WRONG......the FEET must be offside to disallow.
    As I understand it Law11, the offside law, states any part of the body except the hands and arms ie it doesnít apply to them
    So the Norwich decision def wrong, and not seen the wolves event but sounds similar.

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    Don't understand why they don't just go for clear and obvious. If we are taking it down to such fine margins as this then I doubt it would have effected the finish at all.

    The game has never been ruled this way, and I'm not sure it should be.

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    It worked well with Liverpool's goal, but then we get yet another farcical offside ruling. VAR was introduced initially to rule on clear refereeing errors, but somewhere along the way, it's been transformed into something which, more often than not, comes down in favour of defending sides in situations where the decision to award a goal would not have been contested by the team that conceded. The huge majority of goals are scored either with a foot or a head and so, surely, they should be the criteria for offside decisions? If the part of the body the ball comes off is onside when contact is made then the goal should stand no matter where the "scorer's" armpit (!!!) is.

    Also, it's taking far too long for the decisions to be made. Before VAR was introduced, the talk was that it would only take a few seconds to get the right decision, instead the game is losing its continuity as endless replays are viewed while VAR makes its mind up - if the technology does not exist yet that provides these decisions within seconds as originally claimed, I would prefer that VAR be shelved until it does.

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    This is just stupid...ref stops Sheff Utd player getting to teh ball....moves ahead Man City score....HAS to be a dropped ball at keast....Var says otherwise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    This is just stupid...ref stops Sheff Utd player getting to teh ball....moves ahead Man City score....HAS to be a dropped ball at keast....Var says otherwise...
    Referee clearly impeded Sheffield United player and ball rebounds to City who score ! Why havenít they overruled that ?

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    Have to say...for a newly promoted team Sheff Utd are really having a go here....really refreshing.

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    Wolves' goal should have been allowed. Glad it wasn't though as I had bet the farm on a Liverpool win.

    This is probably the only time I've celebrated a Liverpool victory with almost as much enthusiasm as a certain scoundrel who lingers at this message board.

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    #FansAgainstVAR

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    The main complaints about VAR are that these ridiculous armpit-offside nonsense decisions; and the fact that it takes minutes to decide.

    Simple way to kill two birds with one stone: give the VAR ref 2 goes at re-watching the incident at full speed from two angles. An obvious mistake would be easily overturned, most other marginal stuff sticks with the on-pitch ref. And it would take seconds not minutes.

    It will mean that some decisions are wrong, but that's fine with me. Even with VAR refs agonising over it for ages they are still getting some things wrong. And it might feel a bit like football again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick View Post
    The main complaints about VAR are that these ridiculous armpit-offside nonsense decisions; and the fact that it takes minutes to decide.

    Simple way to kill two birds with one stone: give the VAR ref 2 goes at re-watching the incident at full speed from two angles. An obvious mistake would be easily overturned, most other marginal stuff sticks with the on-pitch ref. And it would take seconds not minutes.

    It will mean that some decisions are wrong, but that's fine with me. Even with VAR refs agonising over it for ages they are still getting some things wrong. And it might feel a bit like football again.
    I reckon that alot of fans have got what they deserved, and managers and players alike. Listen to how some fans moan about decisions going against their team, managers and players who blame the officials in order to mask their own deficiencies. Add to that football fans worrying about Revenues and losing money due to a poor decision. Well, feck 'em, they wanted a game where human error at critical moments has been taken away from officials, i was fine with mistakes and big shouts going against teams, even our team. It's what football is about in my opinion.

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    Re: VAR

    Fair play, it takes balls to feck up the product of a global business that took years to build, so congratulations to all those who played a part

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Fair play, it takes balls to feck up the product of a global business that took years to build, so congratulations to all those who played a part
    I detect that you're saying that things should've been left alone? If so, i agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I detect that you're saying that things should've been left alone? If so, i agree.
    As an entertainment product that attracts billions of viewers worlwide it was a bad move, but I agree with what you said about the ref being a part of the outcome equation, and now he's been taken out of it completely with these VAR decisions. I guessing it all seemed like a good idea on paper though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    As an entertainment product that attracts billions of viewers it was a bad move, but I agree with what you said about the ref being a part of the outcome equation, and now he's been taken out of it completely with these VAR decisions. I guessing it all seemed like a good idea on paper though
    Was it UEFA that brought it in or the Premier League? I don't quite understand these things. Whoever it was, it seems that it's about appeasing those who shout loudest and a wink towards the new money in the game. Everyone knows that football is as much about mistakes as it is brilliance and acts of genius, and as important in my opinion.

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    I think the offside rule should be tweaked in as much as, if any part of the attackers body (yes even his little finger nail) is onside, then it is not offside. I was always under the impression that attackers were supposed to be given the benefit of the doubt in any borderline decisions, I was clearly wrong.

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    It may be a positive that refs are shielded now from abuse because VAR is being used so accurately and frustratingly. Hudreds of refs seem to be dropping out of the game at lower levels where it's not in place so either greater appreciation for those doing that tough job or something else to take the criticism may be a big positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy.ronson View Post
    Referee clearly impeded Sheffield United player and ball rebounds to City who score ! Why haven’t they overruled that ?
    Because the ref didn't touch the ball. It's not VAR that's the problem, it's the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    It may be a positive that refs are shielded now from abuse because VAR is being used so accurately and frustratingly. Hudreds of refs seem to be dropping out of the game at lower levels where it's not in place so either greater appreciation for those doing that tough job or something else to take the criticism may be a big positive.
    I'm not sure of the origins, but in the Bundesliga the referee can check the pitch-side VAR monitor.

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    Re: VAR

    The worst thing about the Wolves goal decision for me was that none of the Liverpool players I saw was appealing. They Knew they hadd fecked up! The Ref had warded the goal so why did VAR get involved in the first place?

    If the referee asks for a second opinion or if 1 captain asks then OK but in this instant no one asked, so why foes VAR get involved?
    It should be like rugby or cricket, if the referee gives a clear decision it stands, as it would have done today - - no argument from Liverpool.
    If the Ref is unsure or one of the captains appeal then go to VAR. It is supposed to be an aide not an overriding decider.

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    If it takes more than one viewing it is not "clear and obvious" simple as that.

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