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  1. #151

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    My heart is with the Iranian people, and I hope they can be free like they once were before the religious nutjobs took over. I am not using this situation to score political points like some on here are.
    The orange fruit loops actions might bring an end to a state that clearly breaches human rights breaches recognized by Iranians , international human right activists, historians scholars and writers all around the world .

    I'm sure the current protesters in the streets of Iran wont be voting for Trump or singing his name anytime soon ,they just seek a decent life away for a controlled state , anyone with a decent heart and mind woudl recognise and wish for that .

    Iran is criticized for restrictions and punishments that follow the Islamic Republic's constitution and law, and for actions by state actors such as the torture, rape, and killing of political prisoners, and the beatings and killings of dissidents and other civilians.

    Restrictions and punishments in the Islamic Republic of Iran violates international human rights , it has very include harsh penalties for crimes, punishment of victim less crimes ,such as fornication and homosexuality, execution of offenders under 18 years of age, restrictions on freedom of speech and the press (including the imprisonment of journalists), restrictions on freedom of religion and gender equality in the Islamic Republic's Constitution (especially attacks on members of the Bahá'í religion).

    Abuses falling outside of the laws of the Islamic Republic that are condemned by most people , include the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988, and the widespread use of torture to extract repudiations by prisoners of their cause and comrades on video for propaganda purposes.[3] Also condemned has been firebombings of newspaper offices and attacks on political protesters by "quasi-official organs of repression," particularly "Hezbollahi," and the murder of dozens of government opponents in the 1990s, allegedly by "rogue elements" of the government.

    There has actually been celebration in Syria , Iraq and within the region , to the killing of Qasem Soleimani s Iran regional expansion is not universally liked its like the old days of SAVAK secret police and torture has been reborn In outside Iran.

    How anyone cannot see the awful regime that exists , run by a barbaric leaders , is beyond me , they make Trump look sane ,and god that takes some doing

  2. #152

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    That would mean doing something beyond his arrd keyboard warrior thingy , and munching on his wine gums .
    You disappoint me. I thought you were above this kind of comment?

    Oh sorry you just tell everyone that you're above it.

    Do you have any thoughts on why Trump was telling all and sundry intelligence that was deemed far too sensitive to disclose to those with high clearance?

    If you do, your little buddy would love some help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    You disappoint me. I thought you were above this kind of comment?

    Oh sorry you just tell everyone that you're above it.

    Do you have any thoughts on why Trump was telling all and sundry intelligence that was deemed far too sensitive to disclose to those with high clearance?

    If you do, your little buddy would love some help.
    TDS ALERT!

  4. #154

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    TDS ALERT!
    We await LoM's views on replies consisting solely of oft repeated acronyms, capitalised, made bold with an increased font size and changed colour with baited breath!

  5. #155

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    The orange fruit loops actions might bring an end to a state that clearly breaches human rights breaches recognized by Iranians , international human right activists, historians scholars and writers all around the world .

    I'm sure the current protesters in the streets of Iran wont be voting for Trump or singing his name anytime soon ,they just seek a decent life away for a controlled state , anyone with a decent heart and mind woudl recognise and wish for that .

    Iran is criticized for restrictions and punishments that follow the Islamic Republic's constitution and law, and for actions by state actors such as the torture, rape, and killing of political prisoners, and the beatings and killings of dissidents and other civilians.

    Restrictions and punishments in the Islamic Republic of Iran violates international human rights , it has very include harsh penalties for crimes, punishment of victim less crimes ,such as fornication and homosexuality, execution of offenders under 18 years of age, restrictions on freedom of speech and the press (including the imprisonment of journalists), restrictions on freedom of religion and gender equality in the Islamic Republic's Constitution (especially attacks on members of the Bahá'í religion).

    Abuses falling outside of the laws of the Islamic Republic that are condemned by most people , include the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988, and the widespread use of torture to extract repudiations by prisoners of their cause and comrades on video for propaganda purposes.[3] Also condemned has been firebombings of newspaper offices and attacks on political protesters by "quasi-official organs of repression," particularly "Hezbollahi," and the murder of dozens of government opponents in the 1990s, allegedly by "rogue elements" of the government.

    There has actually been celebration in Syria , Iraq and within the region , to the killing of Qasem Soleimani s Iran regional expansion is not universally liked its like the old days of SAVAK secret police and torture has been reborn In outside Iran.

    How anyone cannot see the awful regime that exists , run by a barbaric leaders , is beyond me , they make Trump look sane ,and god that takes some doing
    By any standards the Iranian regime scores pretty low when it comes to political freedom and the civil liberties of its citizens. Indeed this is borne out by the annual evaluation done by the US-based organisation Freedom House which classifies Iran as one of the least free countries globally.

    https://freedomhouse.org/report/coun...d-freedom-2019

    Interestingly when you look regionally then it scores higher than most of its neighbours such as Yemen, Bahrain, UAE and of course Saudi Arabia. I recall your reaction to a punishment by the world's policemen for the murder of the US/Saudi journalist recently by a regime considered to have a worse record on human rights and freedoms for its citizens as a little more muted. Something along the lines of:

    Do agree, big spying partner in that area as well as trade and oil supply , need to be careful what we wish for .

    Presumably based on the conclusion that they may be sons of bitches but their our sons of bitches. So once you strip away the crocodile tears for the plight of the Iranian people you are left with whether the decision to take out Suleimani was forced because of an identified imminent threat or not.

    Since Trump's derided 4 embassy justification then the language coming out of the Trump administration is changing. There are reports that it had been sanctioned in principle since June 2019. We have Trump saying now that it didn't matter whether he posed an imminent threat or not and Pompeo briefing that it was part of a wider strategy of deterrent.

    If you don't care whether the assassination was worth the escalation of regional tension and the perpetrators have not been able to stick to a straight story in its justification fair enough. Just try not to bleat about the plight of the Iranian people when you seem happy that their next door neighbours have fewer rights and freedoms but its ok because they spy and buy arms and Harrods hampers off us!

  6. #156

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    By any standards the Iranian regime scores pretty low when it comes to political freedom and the civil liberties of its citizens. Indeed this is borne out by the annual evaluation done by the US-based organisation Freedom House which classifies Iran as one of the least free countries globally.

    https://freedomhouse.org/report/coun...d-freedom-2019

    Interestingly when you look regionally then it scores higher than most of its neighbours such as Yemen, Bahrain, UAE and of course Saudi Arabia. I recall your reaction to a punishment by the world's policemen for the murder of the US/Saudi journalist recently by a regime considered to have a worse record on human rights and freedoms for its citizens as a little more muted. Something along the lines of:

    Do agree, big spying partner in that area as well as trade and oil supply , need to be careful what we wish for .

    Presumably based on the conclusion that they may be sons of bitches but their our sons of bitches. So once you strip away the crocodile tears for the plight of the Iranian people you are left with whether the decision to take out Suleimani was forced because of an identified imminent threat or not.

    Since Trump's derided 4 embassy justification then the language coming out of the Trump administration is changing. There are reports that it had been sanctioned in principle since June 2019. We have Trump saying now that it didn't matter whether he posed an imminent threat or not and Pompeo briefing that it was part of a wider strategy of deterrent.

    If you don't care whether the assassination was worth the escalation of regional tension and the perpetrators have not been able to stick to a straight story in its justification fair enough. Just try not to bleat about the plight of the Iranian people when you seem happy that their next door neighbours have fewer rights and freedoms but its ok because they spy and buy arms and Harrods hampers off us!
    Well its hard to see you mention the poor Iranian people until now ?? lots of anti western shit though

    The assassination was worth ,was worth it , however in your eyes it was carried out be the wrong president and political party which is obvious you dislike and clouds your every judgement and comment along with your TDS Issues.

  7. #157

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Well its hard to see you mention the poor Iranian people until now ?? lots of anti western shit though

    The assassination was worth ,was worth it , however in your eyes it was carried out be the wrong president and political party which is obvious you dislike and clouds your every judgement and comment along with your TDS Issues.
    Imagine spending the time to train a parrot to repeat your thoughts and then find out you can't understand a word it said!

  8. #158

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    Interesting development .

    Another wait and see moment happening

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51104579


    European powers have triggered a formal dispute mechanism over Iran's breaches of key parts of the 2015 nuclear deal - a move that could spell its end.

    Iran has gradually lifted all limits on its production of enriched uranium, which can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear weapons.

    It has said it is entitled to do so in response to sanctions reinstated by the US when it abandoned the deal in 2018.

    France, Germany and the UK said they did not accept Iran's argument.

    The mechanism, set out in article 36 of the deal, involves the dispute being referred to a Joint Commission that will have a minimum of 15 days to resolve the issue.

    If the complainants are still not satisfied, they can refer the matter to the UN Security Council, which could vote to reimpose any sanctions lifted under the deal.

  9. #159

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Imagine spending the time to train a parrot to repeat your thoughts and then find out you can't understand a word it said!
    Good reply, well done .

  10. #160

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and...anian-missiles

    Guess we wont get much hysteria over this report , as we need to point the finger at a country that zapped a terrorists .

  11. #161

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and...anian-missiles

    Guess we wont get much hysteria over this report , as we need to point the finger at a country that zapped a terrorists .
    Ever thought you might have lost the moral highground in this thread when you responded so sensitively to the death of 176 people of mainly Iranian, Canadian and Ukrainian nationality with the following response:

    Missile , plane , ooooh nooooo

    Interestingly in the US. Up to 10 Republican senators, presumably the anti-Western ones, are so in awe of the Trump Administration's forays into the world of warmongering that they could support a resolution seeking to curb his ability to do it again. Saying that he is too busy photoshopping Nancy Pelosi in a hijab to worry about who he might take out this week.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-on-war-powers

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  13. #163

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's not like you to get taken in by grandstanding.

    The same people who play with these kids lives like toy soldiers use their deaths to justify starting the next war and the pattern continues.

    I thought the mission was to remove the threat to the maybe, probably, roughly four embassies and not to get revenge for previous casualties.

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