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    Heading Ban

    Coming in for u/12s in Scotland very soon due to the concern over brain illnesses in later life. I haven’t seen any lower age group games for a long while but from what I can remember heading the ball wasn’t a particularly frequent occurrence among the kids. I would imagine games will become a sort of below head height game for the lads up there. May improve the playing on the deck aspect of the game which certainly from the game’s point of view wouldn’t be a bad thing. Heading is a massive part of the sport and a great skill, sad to see greats like Jeff Astle succumbing to it though. Is it a ticking time bomb for ex players or is it just unlucky if you eventually get affected by playing the sport you loved in years gone by?

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    A recent study has found that former professional footballers are three and a half times more likely to suffer from dementia and other serious neurological diseases, on that basis you would expect something to be done to safeguard against that.

    I dont think we want to see many U12s game where you see long ball encouraged, and of course the U12s age group is the age group you would see players with the worst technique.

    Iwan Robert has done a recent podcast and documentary, and he states that he wasn't as good in the air until he started doing additional heading sessions after training, and that repeated impact must have an effect.

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    I coach a girls U12 team, we occasionally play friendlies against U12 boys

    from the girls game, we will see around 5 headers per game, our team have 12 registered players and 3 ( maybe a 4th ) of them will head the ball

    watching the U12 boys games, heading does come into the game a little more, but you still dont see long balls, as everyone want to be Messi

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    I coach a girls U12 team, we occasionally play friendlies against U12 boys

    from the girls game, we will see around 5 headers per game, our team have 12 registered players and 3 ( maybe a 4th ) of them will head the ball

    watching the U12 boys games, heading does come into the game a little more, but you still dont see long balls, as everyone want to be Messi
    When I used to play youth team football, i didn't feel comfortable heading the ball, until i was playing U15s.

    By comfortable i mean comfortable jumping and directing a football and being dominant in the air. Before that i felt it was always a bit of close your eyes and let it hit you.

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    Heading will be banned from the game within the next 15 years. You only have to watch this video to understand why. Every blow to the head is damaging you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esPRsT-lmw8

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    Re: Heading Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Coming in for u/12s in Scotland very soon due to the concern over brain illnesses in later life. I haven’t seen any lower age group games for a long while but from what I can remember heading the ball wasn’t a particularly frequent occurrence among the kids. I would imagine games will become a sort of below head height game for the lads up there. May improve the playing on the deck aspect of the game which certainly from the game’s point of view wouldn’t be a bad thing. Heading is a massive part of the sport and a great skill, sad to see greats like Jeff Astle succumbing to it though. Is it a ticking time bomb for ex players or is it just unlucky if you eventually get affected by playing the sport you loved in years gone by?
    Surely it is both? The evidence is now clear - sports that involve skull impacts (especially boxing and football) increase the risk of damage and future serious brain-related medical problems.

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    Re: Heading Ban

    A point made in the discussion about this on SSN just now was that the ball is rarely headed in u12 games - it happens but not anything like as much as in older age group games - but that heading can be a big part of some training sessions with some coaches. If the focus is mainly on what happens in games it might miss the bigger problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    A point made in the discussion about this on SSN just now was that the ball is rarely headed in u12 games - it happens but not anything like as much as in older age group games - but that heading can be a big part of some training sessions with some coaches. If the focus is mainly on what happens in games it might miss the bigger problem.
    We used to play headers and Volleys as kids, where one kid constantly pumps balls into the box and you had to score before the ball touches the ground, if you missed the target you went in goals. We used to play this daily. Heading the ball came on leaps and bounds at that point.

    You would imagine that players are doing specialist heading sessions on a weekly basis heading the ball hundreds of times on a weekly basis in training alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qccfc View Post
    A recent study has found that former professional footballers are three and a half times more likely to suffer from dementia and other serious neurological diseases, on that basis you would expect something to be done to safeguard against that.

    I dont think we want to see many U12s game where you see long ball encouraged, and of course the U12s age group is the age group you would see players with the worst technique.

    Iwan Robert has done a recent podcast and documentary, and he states that he wasn't as good in the air until he started doing additional heading sessions after training, and that repeated impact must have an effect.
    They've also discovered that the benefits of playing professional sport means they live on average 9 years longer than the general public.
    I wonder if some of this effect is some footballers are living long enough to get some dementia, whereas if they hadn't been a footballer they might have died younger from something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    A point made in the discussion about this on SSN just now was that the ball is rarely headed in u12 games - it happens but not anything like as much as in older age group games - but that heading can be a big part of some training sessions with some coaches. If the focus is mainly on what happens in games it might miss the bigger problem.
    I know the county U12 girls do heading drills once every 7 weeks, its only a 15 min drill, but still part of the training program

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Coming in for u/12s in Scotland very soon due to the concern over brain illnesses in later life. I haven’t seen any lower age group games for a long while but from what I can remember heading the ball wasn’t a particularly frequent occurrence among the kids. I would imagine games will become a sort of below head height game for the lads up there. May improve the playing on the deck aspect of the game which certainly from the game’s point of view wouldn’t be a bad thing. Heading is a massive part of the sport and a great skill, sad to see greats like Jeff Astle succumbing to it though. Is it a ticking time bomb for ex players or is it just unlucky if you eventually get affected by playing the sport you loved in years gone by?
    When i used to train we would do heading drills (not that kind) which would consist of someone throwing a ball up and you heading the ball back to them as you moved down the pitch, this would be repeated 20 times x 3. Terry Boyle would go out after training and get the young lads to ping it, sit it up etc 50 times and he'd just practice his clearance heading. Crazy when you think of it. Things are changing though. Pre season training would consist of three or four 7 mile runs per week up hills and mountains and on terrain that didn't suit a footballers ankles and knees. There wasn't a bleep test back then, if there was then plenty of players would've pissed it, although conditioning didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    Heading will be banned from the game within the next 15 years. You only have to watch this video to understand why. Every blow to the head is damaging you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esPRsT-lmw8
    Just couldn’t imagine the cries from the crowd ... HEAD BALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    When i used to train we would do heading drills (not that kind) which would consist of someone throwing a ball up and you heading the ball back to them as you moved down the pitch, this would be repeated 20 times x 3. Terry Boyle would go out after training and get the young lads to ping it, sit it up etc 50 times and he'd just practice his clearance heading. Crazy when you think of it. Things are changing though. Pre season training would consist of three or four 7 mile runs per week up hills and mountains and on terrain that didn't suit a footballers ankles and knees. There wasn't a bleep test back then, if there was then plenty of players would've pissed it, although conditioning didn't exist.
    At one point this season City had 11 players on the injury list. Newcastle have the same currently. Arsenal 6 or 7. It's funny how with all this scientific training and diets the modern footballer is much more likely to get injured training than in the bad old days..

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    At one point this season City had 11 players on the injury list. Newcastle have the same currently. Arsenal 6 or 7. It's funny how with all this scientific training and diets the modern footballer is much more likely to get injured training than in the bad old days..
    I think that you make a good point. Obviously i'm not medical or into sports science so my opinions are anecdotal although it does seem that way. doesn't it? Players were certainly tougher back then. I can remember players getting cortisone before games just so that they could play. Roger Gibbins had a full on virus before one game, he was out of it, but he played because he had to. When i was at the club the most naturally fit player was jason Perry, he could run forever. A player who was fit was a bloke named Leigh Barnard. He was brought in from Swindon where Lou Macari was manager, Macari was apparently a beast with fitness. Barnard would do shuttle runs around the pitch before training started. I can remember some of the first team looking on from the tunnel in dis belief. George Wood wasn't impressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    Heading will be banned from the game within the next 15 years. You only have to watch this video to understand why. Every blow to the head is damaging you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esPRsT-lmw8
    I've read a bit more about the doctor in that video I posted and I now think he is a bit of a crank.

    https://observer.com/2016/08/head-ca...r-daniel-amen/

    Nevertheless, that blows to the head causes brain injury is obvious. There are many videos on the net about this by more reputable scientists. The following video is not for the squeamish. It shows brains being cut up. It is interesting to see the brains like that. Of course, they don't look like the brains of any posters on here - ours are much smaller.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSO7_8XcGd8

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    When i played in the late 60's early 70' the balls were heavy leather when it got wet it was like heading a boulder.Not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I think that you make a good point. Obviously i'm not medical or into sports science so my opinions are anecdotal although it does seem that way. doesn't it? Players were certainly tougher back then. I can remember players getting cortisone before games just so that they could play. Roger Gibbins had a full on virus before one game, he was out of it, but he played because he had to. When i was at the club the most naturally fit player was jason Perry, he could run forever. A player who was fit was a bloke named Leigh Barnard. He was brought in from Swindon where Lou Macari was manager, Macari was apparently a beast with fitness. Barnard would do shuttle runs around the pitch before training started. I can remember some of the first team looking on from the tunnel in dis belief. George Wood wasn't impressed
    Ryan Giggs was given a cortisone injection before a Man Utd game.
    When David Beckham found out he stormed into Fergies office and demanded “ I want a sports car as well” !!

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    I think heading the ball will be removed form the game in the coming years - the medical evidence is damming - will be a good thing although I hope to **** the cardiff city way will have moved on a bit by then otherwise we'll find ourselves in the confrence..!

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    It’s hard to imagine a game with no heading.
    There would hardly be any goals scored from corners.

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    Unless I was dreaming, I'm sure I heard recently that Eddie Howe has instructed all his team's, below 1st teams, to not play the ball in the air and completely eliminate heading (like proper 5 a side rules). Even corners & free kicks are to be played along the floor. He was also thinking about adopting the rule into his first team but probably felt it would play into the opposition's hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    When i played in the late 60's early 70' the balls were heavy leather when it got wet it was like heading a boulder.Not good.
    Not only that, if you headed where the lace was, you'd have a Frankenstein type scar on your forehead for hours .

    Anyone who has played cricket with the proper equipment has probably played the occasional shot where you barely felt ball on bat because it came off the "right" part of the bat and was timed pretty well. Conversely, and much more frequently in my case, there'd be the clunky shots whereby you'd feel a reaction all the way up your arms - something similar is almost certainly going on in a player's head when their heading technique goes wrong and there, surely, has to be a cumulative effect if someone has too many of those?

    I can imagine people of my generation being against a ban on heading because it's been part of the game all of our lives and it is definitely a skill - I was only reminded a couple of days ago of my father's comment that the former Spurs forward Alan Gilzean's control of the ball with his head was better than many professionals' control with their feet. I think a ban on heading in the game is coming though and, when it does, certain types of player will become obsolete almost immediately.

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    Re: Gilzean

    Not sure if this reflects well on him or very badly on the others

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Not only that, if you headed where the lace was, you'd have a Frankenstein type scar on your forehead for hours .

    Anyone who has played cricket with the proper equipment has probably played the occasional shot where you barely felt ball on bat because it came off the "right" part of the bat and was timed pretty well. Conversely, and much more frequently in my case, there'd be the clunky shots whereby you'd feel a reaction all the way up your arms - something similar is almost certainly going on in a player's head when their heading technique goes wrong and there, surely, has to be a cumulative effect if someone has too many of those?

    I can imagine people of my generation being against a ban on heading because it's been part of the game all of our lives and it is definitely a skill - I was only reminded a couple of days ago of my father's comment that the former Spurs forward Alan Gilzean's control of the ball with his head was better than many professionals' control with their feet. I think a ban on heading in the game is coming though and, when it does, certain types of player will become obsolete almost immediately.
    Not to mention the old “ clash of heads” there have been some real bad uns over the yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    When i played in the late 60's early 70' the balls were heavy leather when it got wet it was like heading a boulder.Not good.
    e = mc2

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    It’s hard to imagine a game with no heading.
    There would hardly be any goals scored from corners.
    there isn't now, less then 4% of corners result in a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    there isn't now, less then 4% of corners result in a goal.
    That’s a surprising stat. Thought there would have been more 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    That’s a surprising stat. Thought there would have been more ��
    There are different variables of what constitutes 'a goal from a corner' but its really low. Higher if you included 2nd and 3rd phase play, maybe up to 15%. I can't remember now but the piece I read had the break-away goal from a corner around 2%, but that could be wildly misquoted from my memory (in fact it all could!)

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    Was it Nat Lofthouse who reckoned Matthews could be so pinpoint with his crosses that the lace was facing the opposite side to Nat’s forehead.

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    another piece of cast iron evidence where kids should only play in door 5 a side or futsal . safer and much more fun for kids at that age

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    another piece of cast iron evidence where kids should only play in door 5 a side or futsal . safer and much more fun for kids at that age
    My daughter plays in a netball league in the House of Sport on a Thursday night. Bored with the netball I often go and watch whoever is playing on the indoor 3G at the front of the building. I watched one game, Under 13s? maybe, and the technical level was impressive. I didnt see one long ball played in the air, it was all pass to feet and move. Defenders bringing it out from the back and stepping into midfield.

    I was always better at 5 a side than 11 a side as I was more about technique than getting stuck in. Watching those lads I regretted being born 30 years too early.

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