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Thread: Strikers from the Academy

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    Strikers from the Academy

    Over the years I can think of several full backs and midfielders that have come from our academy and been reasonably or very successful. I can think of hardly any goalkeepers, wingers or strikers though. In particular since the days of Toshack and Showers when did we produce our own striker? One who has scored for us or at another club. The only one I can think of ironically was the Irish chap who was a goalkeeper turned striker... Josh Maggenis. Surely there are others. If not why not?
    Is there another club in the country with such a poor record in this?

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    Re: Strikers from the Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by HaveringBluebird View Post
    Over the years I can think of several full backs and midfielders that have come from our academy and been reasonably or very successful. I can think of hardly any goalkeepers, wingers or strikers though. In particular since the days of Toshack and Showers when did we produce our own striker? One who has scored for us or at another club. The only one I can think of ironically was the Irish chap who was a goalkeeper turned striker... Josh Maggenis. Surely there are others. If not why not?
    Is there another club in the country with such a poor record in this?
    Robert Earnshaw did quite well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Dargavel View Post
    Robert Earnshaw did quite well...

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    Simon Haworth

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    Quote Originally Posted by binman View Post
    Simon Haworth
    Blake?

    Jerome?

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    The OP has a point about there appears a lot of defenders /midfielders in comparison to forwards in particular no 9's

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    We donít play the type of football that lends itself to kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    The OP has a point about there appears a lot of defenders /midfielders in comparison to forwards in particular no 9's
    Yeah, but on a football pitch there are usually 4 defenders and 2/3 midfielders. There's only one number 9. Ergo, clubs will produced more defenders and midfielders.

    Actually, thinking about it, how many good left backs has the club produced? Damon Searle is the only one I can think of.

    How many goalkeepers? Mel Rees is the last one I can think of. There was John Roberts, he was not very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    We donít play the type of football that lends itself to kids.
    The OP mentioned elsewhere as well, so style of play doesnít come into it.

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    Leon Jeanne.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    Leon Jeanne.....
    Produced at Arsenal and QPR. Not Cardiff.

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    Gethin Hill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Parrot View Post
    Gethin Hill
    Derek Showers, blimey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez View Post
    Blake?

    Jerome?
    Blake came from Chelsea to complete his second year YTS with City, Jerome was bombed from somewhere i think and then teamed up with Paul Wilkinson? Earnie was one of the last Apprentices taken on for his year. None of them came through our system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez View Post
    Produced at Arsenal and QPR. Not Cardiff.
    Not successful or a striker either

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    Christian Roberts and Stuart Fleetwood have had lower league careers

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    So having read the replies to my OP it seems that Simon Haworth is the only one I hadn't thought of. Earnie and a few others didn't really come up through an academy or equivalent. With respect Fleetwood and Roberts haven't been huge successes in the Football League.Goalkeepers we have produced seems to be an even worse situation. When you think of the many millions we have spent on developing footballers over the last thirty odd years the results in terms of keepers, strikers and even wingers to a lesser extent is dire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveringBluebird View Post
    So having read the replies to my OP it seems that Simon Haworth is the only one I hadn't thought of. Earnie and a few others didn't really come up through an academy or equivalent. With respect Fleetwood and Roberts haven't been huge successes in the Football League.Goalkeepers we have produced seems to be an even worse situation. When you think of the many millions we have spent on developing footballers over the last thirty odd years the results in terms of keepers, strikers and even wingers to a lesser extent is dire.
    To argue that Earnshaw wasnt developed at Cardiff City makes a nonsense of the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Blake came from Chelsea to complete his second year YTS with City, Jerome was bombed from somewhere i think and then teamed up with Paul Wilkinson? Earnie was one of the last Apprentices taken on for his year. None of them came through our system.
    Thats just semantics re Blake and Earnie. They still played youth football at Cardiff City.

    Before the days of academys picking kids up when they are 7 and 8 a lot of boys went straight from playing under 14/16 for their boys club into a YTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Hill View Post
    Thats just semantics re Blake and Earnie. They still played youth football at Cardiff City.

    Before the days of academys picking kids up when they are 7 and 8 a lot of boys went straight from playing under 14/16 for their boys club into a YTS.
    OK and I'll accept Blake and Earnie but it still seems a poor show. Nathan joined us 30 years ago and Earnie 23 years ago. Maybe I exaggerated a little by saying nothing since Toshack but you have to agree it's not a good record. And the keepers record is worse.

    Someone mentioned Cameron Jerome. We got him from Middlesbrough at 18 so I would say he couldn't be classed as part of a youth development programme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveringBluebird View Post
    OK and I'll accept Blake and Earnie but it still seems a poor show. Nathan joined us 30 years ago and Earnie 23 years ago. Maybe I exaggerated a little by saying nothing since Toshack but you have to agree it's not a good record. And the keepers record is worse.

    Someone mentioned Cameron Jerome. We got him from Middlesbrough at 18 so I would say he couldn't be classed as part of a youth development programme.
    Blake ended up at the club after leaving Chelsea after his first year for whatever reason, so he was going on 18 when he joined the club, ernie was the very last apprentice taken on for his year because the club thought he may be to small, Jerome had been bombed by Middlesbrough. We didn't have an academy during the Blake and eanie years and I'm not sure if we had one when Jerome came to the club. What there would've been was schoolboy level training that would've taken place three times per week. Decent schoolboys would've been fast tracked into the youth team.

    None of the players I've mentioned came through the schoolboy system. When nathan blake turned up he was head and shoulders above anything at the club in his age range, intact, he was better than some of the first team. As for ernie, he couldn't have been coached anyway, he was doing exactly what he'd been doing previously for a junior side called GE Wales. Those three players were good enough anyway, boro developed Jerome and Chelsea developed blake, ernie did what he wanted

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    Didn't James Collins start off a as a striker or am I misremembering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Didn't James Collins start off a as a striker or am I misremembering?
    He did, and nathan Blake made his debut at Bristol rovers away, as a central defender if memory serves.

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    Jerome Earnie Collins Haworth Blake.

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    Josh Magennis - ticks a box for Goal keeper and Striker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He did, and nathan Blake made his debut at Bristol rovers away, as a central defender if memory serves.
    Left back, it was a good debut too. We were 1-0 up late on but lost 2-1, if my memory serves.

    Blake did play centre back for us though, as well as in a back three and as a stand-in centre mid at Swansea once. All done with his usual nonchalance. I wonder how many games he would've played for us if Warnock had been in charge? My guess is one, hauled off after 60 minutes then sent out on loan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Blake came from Chelsea to complete his second year YTS with City, Jerome was bombed from somewhere i think and then teamed up with Paul Wilkinson? Earnie was one of the last Apprentices taken on for his year. None of them came through our system.
    I think Jerome came in from Boro.

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    Strikers are a dying breed in youth football.

    When I was a kid everyone wanted to be a number 9. Today you'll find very few kids who aspire to play in that position and if you ask most kids where they want to play now, they'll usually answer "CDM" or "CAM" (for those over 40 that's Central Defensive Midfielder and Central Attacking Midfielder.

    There is also the situation where the role of the centre forward seems to change constantly every couple of years.

    You see a player like Jordan Rhodes who was born to just score goals who currently finds it difficult to fit into today's game.

    Would you call Roberto Firmino a striker in the old sense of the word? Yet he's probably considered the best around now.

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    Re: Strikers from the Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    Strikers are a dying breed in youth football.

    When I was a kid everyone wanted to be a number 9. Today you'll find very few kids who aspire to play in that position and if you ask most kids where they want to play now, they'll usually answer "CDM" or "CAM" (for those over 40 that's Central Defensive Midfielder and Central Attacking Midfielder.

    There is also the situation where the role of the centre forward seems to change constantly every couple of years.

    You see a player like Jordan Rhodes who was born to just score goals who currently finds it difficult to fit into today's game.

    Would you call Roberto Firmino a striker in the old sense of the word? Yet he's probably considered the best around now.
    I'm researching the 1970/71 season currently and was reminded a couple of days ago of John Parsons who played just over eighty games in a career which took him from us to Bournemouth and, finally, Newport. Despite an awful lot of those appearances being off the bench, he scored a more than respectable thirty goals in that time, but I always thought of him as someone who did little else but score goals. On the one hand, that sounds an idiotic view when you consider how much we'd pay now for a striker with a better than one in three scoring rate, but it applies even more today - your use of Jordan Rhodes is a good example because the latter half of his career has offered concrete proof that merely sticking the ball in the net is no longer enough in the modern game.

    I'd say Sergio Aguero could be classed as an out and out striker, but he's had to adopt a more of a team ethic and up his work rate under Guardiola and the only one I can think of coming through as a young player at the top level now is Tammy Abraham.

    This trend can be seen in action at the Academy where the two best strikers we have in my view (Dan Griffiths and Isaak Davies) have both played in wide positions for the under 18s on quite a few occasions - the last player at Academy level who was a goalscorer first and foremost was Eli Phipps who left us a few years ago for Colchester but never played a game for them and I'm struggling to think of another before him in all of the years the Academy has been going.

    Cameron Jerome joined us at about the same time as our Academy started up (autumn 2004) and would have played no more than four or five matches at that level before he broke into the first team.

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