Coronavirus: overhyped fear-mongering or potential mega doom?

[life on mars]

Nothing to do with Trump.

Governments focused on uni degrees to the point that most degrees these days are devalued. Polys became Unis, more people have a degree then the less it actually means. Plenty of college lecturers have never worked in the real world so theoretical rather than practical can dominate.

I think UK should remove offshoring for activities. IT offshoring hasn't worked, that's pretty much evidence. I'd like to see us building up our manufacturing sector and I think the education sector needs to reflect that. Practical qualifications need to be massively improved.

I would politely disagree , his campaign march in 2016 was very much on that theme where he promised that his steep tariffs on Chinese goods would help bring jobs back to the U.S .

I know it wont work as the world is a bigger economy now but it was his theme and idea to deal with unemployment in the "Rust Belt" which has been in decline since the 80's , its a bit like UK and some parts of Europe , its sold it manufacturing base to India , China and Asia for cheaper white goods and clothing .

[tell it like it is]

I would politely disagree , his campaign march in 2016 was very much on that theme where he promised that his steep tariffs on Chinese goods would help bring jobs back to the U.S .

I know it wont work as the world is a bigger economy now but it was his theme and idea to deal with unemployment in the "Rust Belt" which has been in decline since the 80's , its a bit like UK and some parts of Europe , its sold it manufacturing base to India , China and Asia for cheaper white goods and clothing .

I've had the view manufacturing in UK should be prioritised for years before Trump became President... ditto education reforms.

What coronavirus has shown is that it's folly to put eggs in one basket, relying on China for manufacturing is ridiculous.

We need to get away from everyone being brought up and pushed to do university degrees unit for purpose and recognise that for many, vocational pathways are far, far more important - and they should be given equal status.

[Baloo]

No proof required either, as it can also be assumed without testing. Its a very liberal approach to recording the cause of death, as Dr Birx herself pointed out.

Isn't this the same way that the CDC in the USA has for a long time calculated flu deaths, that is as flu-associated deaths? Because many people who contract flu die from medical complications it causes related to secondary conditions.

[life on mars]

I've had the view manufacturing in UK should be prioritised for years before Trump became President... ditto education reforms.

What coronavirus has shown is that it's folly to put eggs in one basket, relying on China for manufacturing is ridiculous.

We need to get away from everyone being brought up and pushed to do university degrees unit for purpose and recognise that for many, vocational pathways are far, far more important - and they should be given equal status.

yes up skilling folk in the manufacturing arena's woudl be great , as Japan lets start to bring it back to the shores ,yes we may pay more as our wage / employee costs are much higher , but you cant have the cake and the bun , this rush for cheaper goods has costs us ..

[life on mars]

Isn't this the same way that the CDC in the USA has for a long time calculated flu deaths, that is as flu-associated deaths? Because many people who contract flu die from medical complications it causes related to secondary conditions.

Yep

[Eric Cartman]

I've had the view manufacturing in UK should be prioritised for years before Trump became President... ditto education reforms.

What coronavirus has shown is that it's folly to put eggs in one basket, relying on China for manufacturing is ridiculous.

We need to get away from everyone being brought up and pushed to do university degrees unit for purpose and recognise that for many, vocational pathways are far, far more important - and they should be given equal status.

What do you mean by equal status?

[Wales-Bales]

Isn't this the same way that the CDC in the USA has for a long time calculated flu deaths, that is as flu-associated deaths? Because many people who contract flu die from medical complications it causes related to secondary conditions.

[Wales-Bales]

Governments focused on uni degrees to the point that most degrees these days are devalued. Polys became Unis, more people have a degree then the less it actually means. Plenty of college lecturers have never worked in the real world so theoretical rather than practical can dominate.

It was all about growing the student loan market IMO.

[Wales-Bales]

WHO warned of transmission risk in January, despite Trump claims:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-trump-claims

As early as January 10, hey?

Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳. pic.twitter.com/Fnl5P877VG

— World Health Organization (WHO) (@WHO) January 14, 2020

[Baloo]

As early as January 10, hey?

Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳. pic.twitter.com/Fnl5P877VG

— World Health Organization (WHO) (@WHO) January 14, 2020

Erm, that tweet is the basis of the article. Might be worth a read.

[Wales-Bales]

Erm, that tweet is the basis of the article. Might be worth a read.

The WHO are not our friends, expect to see a big shakeup in the next week or two.

[tell it like it is]

It was all about growing the student loan market IMO.

Most of which are never repaid.

[tell it like it is]

What do you mean by equal status?

It's always been viewed that Universities are bastions of intellect ( spoiler - most aren't ) whilst mechanics are well, just there.

A highly skilled mechanic is far more important imo than a media studies degree.

[Eric Cartman]

It's always been viewed that Universities are bastions of intellect ( spoiler - most aren't ) whilst mechanics are well, just there.

A highly skilled mechanic is far more important imo than a media studies degree.

Oh I agree with that, they also probably earn more and pay significantly less to obtain that knowledge/skillset. The University system is a mess, Labour started the cock up and the Lib Dem's and Tories have doubled down on it to leave us with something that just isn't fit for purpose.

[Eric Cartman]

Most of which are never repaid.

Well the main issue is uncertainty. The student doesn't know how much their degree is going to cost them and the taxpayer doesn't know to what extent they are funding the student. It is a really good example of kicking the can down the road.

[Wales-Bales]

It's always been viewed that Universities are bastions of intellect ( spoiler - most aren't ) whilst mechanics are well, just there.

I remember challenging a grade once after spending a lot of time researching a specific topic, and the lecturer at my top tier university said I didn't know what I was talking about. So I contacted the professor at MIT in America who was the originator of this particular field of study and he said my work was outstanding, and my understanding of the subject was at PhD level. It was then that I realised that most universities are treadmills, and that it was entirely possible to self-educate oneself if you have the requisite skillset.

[jon1959]

I remember challenging a grade once after spending a lot of time researching a specific topic, and the lecturer at my top tier university said I didn't know what I was talking about. So I contacted the professor at MIT in America who was the originator of this particular field of study and he said my work was outstanding, and my understanding of the subject was at PhD level. It was then that I realised that most universities are treadmills, and that it was entirely possible to self-educate oneself if you have the requisite skillset.

In some ways this post explains exactly why you have that deep love affair with Donald J Trump.

They broke the mould when they made you two!

[cyril evans awaydays]

I remember challenging a grade once after spending a lot of time researching a specific topic, and the lecturer at my top tier university said I didn't know what I was talking about. So I contacted the professor at MIT in America who was the originator of this particular field of study and he said my work was outstanding, and my understanding of the subject was at PhD level. It was then that I realised that most universities are treadmills, and that it was entirely possible to self-educate oneself if you have the requisite skillset.

So what did you do? Use the MIT Professor's words to go and get that PhD and show that top tier University what a talented god they had within their midst or get off the treadmill, self-educate and spend a few decades on a football messageboard trying to convince seriously sceptical people about how clever you really are?

[Wales-Bales]

So what did you do? Use the MIT Professor's words to go and get that PhD and show that top tier University what a talented god they had within their midst or get off the treadmill, self-educate and spend a few decades on a football messageboard trying to convince seriously sceptical people about how clever you really are?

No, I just realised that the world is full of idiots.

[Wales-Bales]

So what did you do? Use the MIT Professor's words to go and get that PhD and show that top tier University what a talented god they had within their midst or get off the treadmill, self-educate and spend a few decades on a football messageboard trying to convince seriously sceptical people about how clever you really are?

No, I just realised that the world is full of idiots who are oblivious to the fact that they are not quite as smart as they think they are.

[cyril evans awaydays]

No, I just realised that the world is full of idiots.

and?

[cyril evans awaydays]

No, I just realised that the world is full of idiots who are oblivious to the fact that they are not quite as smart as they think they are.

Ooops didn't realise you had not quite finished your thought processes. So, picking up the story you ignored the MIT Professor's words to go and get that PhD and show that top tier University what a talented god they had within their midst and instead got off the treadmill, self-educated yourself and have spend a few decades on a football messageboard showing that the world is full of idiots who are oblivious to the fact that they are not quite as smart as they think they are. Is that where we are in your life achievement shout?

[Wales-Bales]

Ooops didn't realise you had not quite finished your thought processes. So, picking up the story you ignored the MIT Professor's words to go and get that PhD and show that top tier University what a talented god they had within their midst and instead got off the treadmill, self-educated yourself and have spend a few decades on a football messageboard showing that the world is full of idiots who are oblivious to the fact that they are not quite as smart as they think they are. Is that where we are in your life achievement shout?

Listen mate, I spent a lot of time explaining in very fine detail why you were wrong about so many things. I walked you through the Steele dossier, Russia collusion, obstruction of Justice, Muller report, Kavanagh, impeachment, etc., but you didn't have the intelligence to analyse information and think for yourself. So now I am done with all of your BS, as you are a complete moron and a total waste of space. Maybe it's time to go and annoy somebody else, and stop this psychotic behaviour, yeah?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Listen mate, I spent a lot of time explaining in very fine detail why you were wrong about so many things. I walked you through the Steele dossier, Russia collusion, obstruction of Justice, Muller report, Kavanagh, impeachment, etc., but you didn't have the intelligence to analyse information and think for yourself. So now I am done with all of your BS, as you are a complete moron and a total waste of space. Maybe it's time to go and annoy somebody else, and stop this psychotic behaviour, yeah?

So no PhD?

[Wales-Bales]

Did anybody notice that Fauci & Birx were claiming the success of social distancing was responsible for a further reduction in the IHME data model? I thought the original prediction already took into account the influence of social distancing?