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Thread: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

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    Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.


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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    If Jurgun Klopp had been in charge for the last 17 games it wouldn't be much different - we'd be calling it 'Klopball'. For two seasons we had a squad dramatically low on skill yet with a couple of skillful players thrown in - Gunnarson, Damour, Grujic, then Camarasa, Arter, Reid. They've now gone, and it shows. We couldn't break down a 10 man Reading reserve side and we struggled last night. A really good second half effort which had Reading reeling at times, but the two tall black guys [14 & 25 ?] that ran the show for them in midfield/attack carried a threat all match...

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    We were only threatening when we reverted to the long ball as it has been the case since Harris came in, we don’t possess a threat playing passing football as we’re too passive and don’t have the players making the runs to open teams up

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    We were only threatening when we reverted to the long ball as it has been the case since Harris came in, we don’t possess a threat playing passing football as we’re too passive and don’t have the players making the runs to open teams up
    I am sure next season will be the last for a Harris.
    The incredible football knowledge board will have to admit he is a mistake.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    We were only threatening when we reverted to the long ball as it has been the case since Harris came in, we don’t possess a threat playing passing football as we’re too passive and don’t have the players making the runs to open teams up
    That's on Harris. He's been here long enough.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone View Post
    We were only threatening when we reverted to the long ball as it has been the case since Harris came in, we don’t possess a threat playing passing football as we’re too passive and don’t have the players making the runs to open teams up
    That's roughly the conundrum. Do we want to focus mainly on a passing style and not care about results, or do we still want results, which will involve us playing some long stuff as that's still how we're the most effective? We've seen some positives, some more passing, better ball retention at times, full backs getting more forward, yet we've seen some negatives, where I feel we don't press as much, defensively we don't look as solid at times.

    To totally change the style of football we need a change of playing personnel.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    That's roughly the conundrum. Do we want to focus mainly on a passing style and not care about results, or do we still want results, which will involve us playing some long stuff as that's still how we're the most effective? We've seen some positives, some more passing, better ball retention at times, full backs getting more forward, yet we've seen some negatives, where I feel we don't press as much, defensively we don't look as solid at times.

    To totally change the style of football we need a change of playing personnel.
    We aren't getting results or a change in playing style at the moment...

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    We aren't getting results or a change in playing style at the moment...
    There have been some changes in playing style. Last night we passed the ball around quite well in the first half until we realised that Reading just flooded defence and midfield and it wasn't working. Then we went into a midfield diamond with 2 up top to rectify things.

    We haven't lost as many games under Harris as we did under Warnock. It's probably true that we haven't won as many either. But it's work in progress. I would expect a dip while we're trying to work out other ways to play, but there's also reverting to type when it's needed. If we could stop conceding so many early goals, that will have a bearing on how we play.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    There have been some changes in playing style. Last night we passed the ball around quite well in the first half until we realised that Reading just flooded defence and midfield and it wasn't working. Then we went into a midfield diamond with 2 up top to rectify things.

    We haven't lost as many games under Harris as we did under Warnock. It's probably true that we haven't won as many either. But it's work in progress. I would expect a dip while we're trying to work out other ways to play, but there's also reverting to type when it's needed. If we could stop conceding so many early goals, that will have a bearing on how we play.
    Harris has been predictably average. He's decided to keep the same midfield, so presumably he sees something in them I don't. I think we're seeing Harris' style of play, which is a mishmash of nothingness. We had a real shot to get someone forward thinking in when Warnock left, instead we're stuck in second gear.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    There have been some changes in playing style. Last night we passed the ball around quite well in the first half until we realised that Reading just flooded defence and midfield and it wasn't working. Then we went into a midfield diamond with 2 up top to rectify things.

    We haven't lost as many games under Harris as we did under Warnock. It's probably true that we haven't won as many either. But it's work in progress. I would expect a dip while we're trying to work out other ways to play, but there's also reverting to type when it's needed. If we could stop conceding so many early goals, that will have a bearing on how we play.
    Absolutely spot on.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    That's on Harris. He's been here long enough.
    I think that's harsh. He arrived in the middle of the season and inherited a bloated squad full of bang average players. It's not easy to overhaul the style of play in those circumstances and he did try to change things when he first arrived, but it didn't really work and now we've reverted to going more direct.

    It also doesn't help that we've played 17 games in 11 weeks since Harris took over. That doesn't leave much time to drill new tactics in training.

    I will be worried if we're still playing like this at the start of next season when Harris will have had the summer transfer window and a full preseason with the squad.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    I think that's harsh. He arrived in the middle of the season and inherited a bloated squad full of bang average players. It's not easy to overhaul the style of play in those circumstances and he did try to change things when he first arrived, but it didn't really work and now we've reverted to going more direct.

    It also doesn't help that we've played 17 games in 11 weeks since Harris took over. That doesn't leave much time to drill new tactics in training.

    I will be worried if we're still playing like this at the start of next season when Harris will have had the summer transfer window and a full preseason with the squad.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    If Jurgun Klopp had been in charge for the last 17 games it wouldn't be much different - we'd be calling it 'Klopball'. For two seasons we had a squad dramatically low on skill yet with a couple of skillful players thrown in - Gunnarson, Damour, Grujic, then Camarasa, Arter, Reid. They've now gone, and it shows. We couldn't break down a 10 man Reading reserve side and we struggled last night. A really good second half effort which had Reading reeling at times, but the two tall black guys [14 & 25 ?] that ran the show for them in midfield/attack carried a threat all match...
    I was unable to get down to see the game last night, but was able to watch the muted stream.

    Our possession stats were encouraging. When the ball was kept on the floor the passing and moving was much improved.

    Effective penetration in the last third was not good in the 1st half but improved dramatically after our wingers were swapped for Bacuna and Ward.

    Had 'we' started with the team that finished, a win would have been more likely.

    The diamond formation may prove to be the best way forward for the rest of the season.

    Two defeats out of 17 with an arguably weaker squad is not bad. Villa were similar draw specialists at the same stage last year, but eventually hit a purple patch.

    There is nothing to fear in this league. Comparing ourselves to the majority of relegated sides over the past decade we have done relatively well to steady the ship.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    I liked how Harris reacted at half time and changed formation and tactics. That would never have happened under Warnock. However, I would prefer if the tactics were correct at the start of the game. Is this a scouting issue or do teams change their approach when facing us?

    I thought the ref was awful yesterday and was not consistent when dealing with similar challenges by both sides. Reading invariably got the free kick where we didn't. He has also not heard of the advantage rule it would appear although our poor passing usually meant there was no advantage.

    I think it's probably time to ditch the wingers and work on midfielders breaking forward with the full backs providing the width although I'd like someone more defensively sound and athletic than Pack at the base of the diamond.

    Lastly, I was impressed with some of Vaulks' passing yesterday especially when linking up with Jazz in the second half.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    He's decided to keep the same midfield, so presumably he sees something in them I don't.
    Has he? The players we've brought in are loanees, so we've been looking in the bargain bins. There were rumours of us signing a midfielder from Wycombe for not a lot of money, but that appears to have not happened. Harris hasn't been given much in terms of funds for a January transfer window assault. It's entirely feasible that the players he wants or targets are off the radar in terms of cost and you'll be lucky to find top 6 quality midfielders being allowed to leave on loan.

    I agree you about our midfield. There's nothing great about it, but we're not throwing money about like confetti to sort it out.

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    Re: Seventeen games into new manager’s reign and Cardiff are unable to ditch “Warnockball”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Has he? The players we've brought in are loanees, so we've been looking in the bargain bins. There were rumours of us signing a midfielder from Wycombe for not a lot of money, but that appears to have not happened. Harris hasn't been given much in terms of funds for a January transfer window assault. It's entirely feasible that the players he wants or targets are off the radar in terms of cost and you'll be lucky to find top 6 quality midfielders being allowed to leave on loan.

    I agree you about our midfield. There's nothing great about it, but we're not throwing money about like confetti to sort it out.
    We made multiple multi-million bids for Kieffer Moore. The money's there but Harris thinks we can play good football with Vaulks, Pack and Bacuna.

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