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  1. #61

    Re: Caroline Flack

    I think people are trying to look for a black and white thing to blame in a situation that is lots of shades of grey.

    She obviously had massive mental health issues; you don't kill yourself if you don't and you don't assault someone if you don't. That's not to say her assault shold be excused at all.

    She was also a pretty famous person and was the sort of person tabloid newspapers always covered. Should they have not covered her assault charge? It definitely classes as news and they have every right to print it. Should they have hounded someone who was clearly mentally unstable as much as they did and then delete the stories after she killed herself?

    It's a tragic situation where a young person has lost their life and who's family have now had their lives more or less ruined because of it.

  2. #62

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Same here, my missus and her friends were talking about her last night in the pub and I assumed it was someone local that they vaguely knew who’d died. I’m asking “Who is she, where’d she live?” etc and they’re looking at me as if I’m daft. When it was explained what type of tv she was involved in, tv I’ve no clue about, I wasn’t too upset about being labelled daft. Sad for those close to her though.
    Take not having heard of the deceased as not being daft but as an unintended compliment.

    'Bout five years ago I was roped into a pub quiz team with three others. One question was to identify as many of the 20 TV chefs whose faces appeared on a sheet of paper. I recognised two amongst them, Fanny Craddock and some limp-wristed herbert whose moniker escaped me. The others wrote in the names of 19 of them within a few minutes and were genuinely frustrated by their inability to recall the other's. I suspect they thought I was out of touch, or a bit dim, while I was thinking only those welded to their settees to view miles of useless crap would be so knowledgeable.

  3. #63

    Re: Caroline Flack

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  4. #64

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad View Post
    For the guys on anti depressants have you considered CBD?
    No , I find anti depressants helpful enough but I do know there is increasing evidence for the use of CBD oil

  5. #65

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Take not having heard of the deceased as not being daft but as an unintended compliment.

    'Bout five years ago I was roped into a pub quiz team with three others. One question was to identify as many of the 20 TV chefs whose faces appeared on a sheet of paper. I recognised two amongst them, Fanny Craddock and some limp-wristed herbert whose moniker escaped me. The others wrote in the names of 19 of them within a few minutes and were genuinely frustrated by their inability to recall the other's. I suspect they thought I was out of touch, or a bit dim, while I was thinking only those welded to their settees to view miles of useless crap would be so knowledgeable.
    They’d probably say the same about someone who spends time curating a character on an Internet football forum though.

    I don’t understand taking pride in not knowing who someone is. A weird kind of snobbery really isn’t it?

  6. #66

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Ouch! One of your criticisms would have more credibility if your post count was lower than mine.

    I haven't the foggiest idea of any records that are in the current UK top 20 for the same reason I had and have no interest in TV chefs. There's no pride attached.

  7. #67

    Re: Caroline Flack

    It’s not a criticism of posting on ccmb, I don’t see a problem with it.

    I’m just saying isn’t it weird to use people knowing something or liking something as a way of positioning yourself as superior? It’s not just you, loads of people seem to hold this attitude towards similar things, including football.

  8. #68

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Take not having heard of the deceased as not being daft but as an unintended compliment.

    'Bout five years ago I was roped into a pub quiz team with three others. One question was to identify as many of the 20 TV chefs whose faces appeared on a sheet of paper. I recognised two amongst them, Fanny Craddock and some limp-wristed herbert whose moniker escaped me. The others wrote in the names of 19 of them within a few minutes and were genuinely frustrated by their inability to recall the other's. I suspect they thought I was out of touch, or a bit dim, while I was thinking only those welded to their settees to view miles of useless crap would be so knowledgeable.
    I'm the same as you two, never heard of the woman. Someone in the pub whom I don't know mentioned she died and like Splotty I wondered if she was local. However, when I saw her name posted on here I was intrigued to find out more. I can understand why I had never heard of her!

  9. #69

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    It’s not a criticism of posting on ccmb, I don’t see a problem with it.

    I’m just saying isn’t it weird to use people knowing something or liking something as a way of positioning yourself as superior? It’s not just you, loads of people seem to hold this attitude towards similar things, including football.
    Oh, come off it. You place yourself on a high PC pedestal with regularity looking down your hooter at anyone who doesn't fit your narrow world view.

  10. #70

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Oh, come off it. You place yourself on a high PC pedestal with regularity looking down your hooter at anyone who doesn't fit your narrow world view.
    Regular readers of the politics forum will be falling off their seats at this one

  11. #71

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Regular readers of the politics forum will be falling off their seats at this one
    Ssh, don't alert boys over here to the Politics forum where more refined discourse can be had.

  12. #72

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Oh, come off it. You place yourself on a high PC pedestal with regularity looking down your hooter at anyone who doesn't fit your narrow world view.
    I don't think that's true but surely looking down your nose at someone for having an ignorant attitude towards other human beings is a much more valid reason than them having different hobbies to you.

    It's not a criticism of you anyway, I've just always found the snobbishness around people enjoy popular things a bit weird. People have the same attitude about sport too. Let people enjoy what they enjoy it doesn't mean they're below anyone.

  13. #73

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    No , I find anti depressants helpful enough but I do know there is increasing evidence for the use of CBD oil
    I use CBD for pain but there are lots of people who have reduced their meds or off them altogether since using CBD. There's no side effects either. I've seen enough people change their life through CBD to make me think there must be something in it. Worth looking into if you're looking to reduce use of anti depressants. You never know. It may change your lives too.

  14. #74

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    They’d probably say the same about someone who spends time curating a character on an Internet football forum though.

    I don’t understand taking pride in not knowing who someone is. A weird kind of snobbery really isn’t it?
    What you on about? ‘Taking pride’. If it was a similar scenario today and me and my lot were talking about Harry Gregg dying I would imagine my missus would react the same way as I did about Caroline Flack.

  15. #75

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    What you on about? ‘Taking pride’. If it was a similar scenario today and me and my lot were talking about Harry Gregg dying I would imagine my missus would react the same way as I did about Caroline Flack.
    I guess the question is, would your missus be on the internet telling everyone that she hasn't heard of Harry Gregg?

  16. #76

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad View Post
    For the guys on anti depressants have you considered CBD?
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  17. #77

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    What you on about? ‘Taking pride’. If it was a similar scenario today and me and my lot were talking about Harry Gregg dying I would imagine my missus would react the same way as I did about Caroline Flack.
    He was being a snob, basically saying "my mates have heard of Anthony Worrel Thompson what a bunch of thickos".

    It's the same any time a reality tv star gets brought up, not having heard of them doesn't make you more intelligent. It mostly means you're just not the target audience.

  18. #78

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    He was being a snob, basically saying "my mates have heard of Anthony Worrel Thompson what a bunch of thickos".

    It's the same any time a reality tv star gets brought up, not having heard of them doesn't make you more intelligent. It mostly means you're just not the target audience.
    What a strange interpretation/accusation you have/make. There are more lenses than myopathic ones...

  19. #79

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Take not having heard of the deceased as not being daft but as an unintended compliment.

    'Bout five years ago I was roped into a pub quiz team with three others. One question was to identify as many of the 20 TV chefs whose faces appeared on a sheet of paper. I recognised two amongst them, Fanny Craddock and some limp-wristed herbert whose moniker escaped me. The others wrote in the names of 19 of them within a few minutes and were genuinely frustrated by their inability to recall the other's. I suspect they thought I was out of touch, or a bit dim, while I was thinking only those welded to their settees to view miles of useless crap would be so knowledgeable.
    TV chefs 🙈🙈🙈

    Only more laughable when referred to as ‘celebrity chefs’. 🤷*♂️🤷*♂️

  20. #80

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I guess the question is, would your missus be on the internet telling everyone that she hasn't heard of Harry Gregg?
    If ‘KnittingCircle.com’ had a thread titled ‘Harry Gregg’, I’m sure she would

  21. #81

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    If ‘KnittingCircle.com’ had a thread titled ‘Harry Gregg’, I’m sure she would
    Is Harry Gregg a posher version of a Gregg's outlet for those with more disposal income like Prince Andrew who likes to down size now and then ?

  22. #82

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad View Post
    I use CBD for pain but there are lots of people who have reduced their meds or off them altogether since using CBD. There's no side effects either. I've seen enough people change their life through CBD to make me think there must be something in it. Worth looking into if you're looking to reduce use of anti depressants. You never know. It may change your lives too.
    I used to smoke weed for pain and it definitely helped

    The modern cbd oils have the thc element taken out so it might be worth a go

    You will be surprised how much research there is going on in psychiatry into its use alongside therapy

  23. #83

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I think people are trying to look for a black and white thing to blame in a situation that is lots of shades of grey.

    She obviously had massive mental health issues; you don't kill yourself if you don't and you don't assault someone if you don't. That's not to say her assault shold be excused at all.

    She was also a pretty famous person and was the sort of person tabloid newspapers always covered. Should they have not covered her assault charge? It definitely classes as news and they have every right to print it. Should they have hounded someone who was clearly mentally unstable as much as they did and then delete the stories after she killed herself?

    It's a tragic situation where a young person has lost their life and who's family have now had their lives more or less ruined because of it.
    They definitely were within their rights to cover the “news” but some of it crossed a line, especially when it become clear she was suffering mental health problems.

    As for the Father 4 Justice tweet. Disgraceful.

  24. #84

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Not sure anyone will argue against anyone who mentions the domestic abuse. Disgusting if you're male/female/celeb/non celeb.

    Also agree anyone in the spotlight should accept they will get a lot of press.

    In some cases though they should just shut the ****ing **** up. Honestly. Just adding fuel to the fire, she doesn't deserve to be dead because she commited a crime and she's a celeb.

    Idiots like Piers Morgan should also just say **** all as well, hideous specimen.

  25. #85

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  26. #86

    Re: Caroline Flack

    The World has changed so much over the last 50 years, there didn't seem nearly as many mental health issues when I was younger, or maybe there was and I wasn't aware?

    Could it be that people are less mentally strong than they were many years ago?

  27. #87

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebina View Post
    The World has changed so much over the last 50 years, there didn't seem nearly as many mental health issues when I was younger, or maybe there was and I wasn't aware?

    Could it be that people are less mentally strong than they were many years ago?
    I'd say it's a couple of things. People are more likely to be open about it now (a good thing), and 50 years ago you were probably a kid or a teenager. So as an adult you'll be more likely to be informed.

  28. #88

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebina View Post
    The World has changed so much over the last 50 years, there didn't seem nearly as many mental health issues when I was younger, or maybe there was and I wasn't aware?

    Could it be that people are less mentally strong than they were many years ago?
    I hadn't read the thread, no offence meant to anyone, some really good and honest posts, the point I was trying to make is what seems to have changed, as there seems a big increase even over the last twenty years?

  29. #89

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebina View Post
    The World has changed so much over the last 50 years, there didn't seem nearly as many mental health issues when I was younger, or maybe there was and I wasn't aware?

    Could it be that people are less mentally strong than they were many years ago?
    On the one hand, people using the internet perhaps feel a greater pressure to look good and to appear if their lives are interesting to others (and the peer pressure that many younger people must surely be acknowledged) but on the other hand we do not know how many people suffered in isolation in years gone by.

    Similarly, there must have been a lot of people out there who had pretty ugly and bitter personalities but whose opinions were confined to those around them, the people they worked with and fellow-pun-goers.

  30. #90

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebina View Post
    I hadn't read the thread, no offence meant to anyone, some really good and honest posts, the point I was trying to make is what seems to have changed, as there seems a big increase even over the last twenty years?
    No offence taken here.

    You could even argue there is more to be stressed about nowadays? Was life a little slower then, out of a job in a Friday into a new one on a Monday, cheaper rent and bills, add in the pressures of the internet and the need to look and be your best at all times.

    I don't think people are weaker, you could argue they are stronger in some ways.

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