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    Caroline Flack

    Media manslaughter.

    Let down badly by ITV as well .

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    No one should ever feel like the only option is to take their own lives. Flackís death actually saddened me and I have sympathy for her and her family and friends.

    However, Iím not sure I get this media bashing though. She was on trial for domestic violence and it shouldnít be undermined just because she was a celebrity. For example numerous tweets like this calling it a lovers tiff (she smashed her boyfriends head in while he was sleeping)

    https://twitter.com/avonandsomerrob/...152276993?s=21

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    Media manslaughter.

    Let down badly by ITV as well .
    What she did was horrific. If a male had done that to a female there would be zero sympathy.

    That said, I have just been reading about her and she obviously had on going mental health issues.Its a terrible conclusion. Poor girl.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Boyfriend forgave her though and appealed against the non- contact order.
    You can see why she was a bit paranoid

    Altogether very sad.

    Much too young

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by EadosEados View Post
    Boyfriend forgave her though and appealed against the non- contact order.
    You can see why she was a bit paranoid

    Altogether very sad.

    Much too young
    I loathe the tabloids but I also feel that the public turning her into a saint because she has died is ridiculous.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    She presented shows that do not interest me in the slightest (I'm hardly their target audience!), so I know very little about her, but it seems to me that there is a media/celebrity roundabout that stacks of people are desperate to board these days and there's a big negative side to that though. Presumably, those willing to take a risk on it are happy to do so or are simply unaware of the potential dangers. Didn't a past Love Island contestant kill themselves last year and there was what happened with the Jeremy Kyle Show as well.

    Today there are social media platforms which cry out for you to be judgemental and, it seems, people are only too willing to be that -often to a painful degree. The prevailing culture which we see on television and all other forms of media, with so many seeking to be "celebrities", only puts them out there to be judged in a world where it is so much easier to get feedback about what people are saying about you than it once was - is it any surprise that some find that judgement too harsh to live with?

    I know this case is different from contestants in reality shows who found they couldn't live with the attention they were getting, but, as far I can gather, Caroline Flack spent all of her adult life in the spotlight of media and public examination and she, like so many others, encouraged that attention. It's not a natural way of living and there always have been casualties who could not take the downs which came with the many ups - in a world where instantaneous reaction is so easy and can be so much more damning, will it be a surprise if there are many others in the future who decide to do what Caroline did?

    It's all very sad, but it seems to me that the genie is out of the bottle now and I'm not sure what can be done to get it back in again.

    RIP

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Bob I think they know they will get the attention, but looking at some of what was said about her, it's not a surprise to me to read what people think is acceptable to write on social media.

    I agree with others she was certainly in the wrong for her actions, but I also feel the way they've gone at her (the press) has probably normalised it to the point your average Twitter user feels comfortable tweeting horrible things about her/writing Instagram comments etc.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    We can have a conversation about the kind of press we want in this country, and the way we treat mental illness, and the fact it's a public health crisis we're ignoring. But we won't.
    (https://twitter.com/Nick_Pettigrew/s...40448140906496)

    It's not limited to the press or online community, I'm sure we've all heard comments day-to-day which are unnecessarily unkind.

  9. #9

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    (https://twitter.com/Nick_Pettigrew/s...40448140906496)

    It's not limited to the press or online community, I'm sure we've all heard comments day-to-day which are unnecessarily unkind.
    Daily. I think it's a regular thing in some jobs, I've certainly seen it on site, on the railways, days out with the boys etc. It's normal (not saying it's right) and some people don't deal with it as well as others.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    Media manslaughter.

    Let down badly by ITV as well .
    Their is a proverb
    “Live by the sword, die by the sword”

    In today’s world the ‘media’ including Social Media is often the sword.

    It’s Very sad to see any person take their own life.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    It's too easy to say she was let down by ITV. She was addicted to social media but couldn't cope with the negative comments she received from it. It's also too easy to say she should stop reading her media pages. It seems to me she set her self up for media attention by living the lifestyle of a person in their 20's by dating younger men, possible heavy drinking and frequenting places where the media hang out and to top it all assaulting her boyfriend while he was asleep. None of this was ITV's fault. The situation is very sad and I genuinely feel sorry for her but unfortunately some might say she was the architect of her own downfall. Mental illness is a problem that seems to follow some people around and I don't think there is a real answer for it. Oddly she was at the top of her career whereas it is more common in TV people whose popularity is falling that seem to suffer the most. Very very sad. RIP Caroline Flack.

  12. #12

    Re: Caroline Flack

    No parent should have to bury their child.

    Very sad.

    RIP

  13. #13

    Re: Caroline Flack

    "Mental illness is a problem that seems to follow some people around"

    This is an unusual phrase. Would you describe any other illness as following some people around?

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    I'm close to someone who works in public health within a school setting, this person is available to speak to teenagers about any problems or worries they may have. I'd say that social media is cited in 90% of all of the cases dealt with. The problem with Social Media is that it encourages people to be narcissistic and it creates a synthetic bubble that doesn't represent reality. I don't quite know what the answer is, but i do believe that better parenting and kids actually going out of the house and getting some exercise would help.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    "Mental illness is a problem that seems to follow some people around"

    This is an unusual phrase. Would you describe any other illness as following some people around?
    What I meant by that is that when one aspect of an apparent cause goes away another issue emerges. Without going into detail that was my experience with a family member. Not very well phrased I admit.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    What I meant by that is that when one aspect of an apparent cause goes away another issue emerges. Without going into detail that was my experience with a family member. Not very well phrased I admit.
    Sorry to hear that. It's a complicated and faintly understood condition, that's for sure.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    "Mental illness is a problem that seems to follow some people around"

    This is an unusual phrase. Would you describe any other illness as following some people around?
    It is unusual. What i would say is that like any illness, people need to help themselves in certain situations. If using social media or concentrating on negative comments effects the individual then they need to limit their time on these platforms. If mental illness is 'like any other illness' like alot of people say then individuals have to take responsibility for the things that can make that illness escalate, obviously with help and support.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It is unusual. What i would say is that like any illness, people need to help themselves in certain situations. If using social media or concentrating on negative comments effects the individual then they need to limit their time on these platforms. If mental illness is 'like any other illness' like alot of people say then individuals have to take responsibility for the things that can make that illness escalate, obviously with help and support.
    Although by definition, it's going to be a lot more difficult to spot and avoid the triggers than it would for a, for example, diabetic.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Although by definition, it's going to be a lot more difficult to spot and avoid the triggers than it would for a, for example, diabetic.
    Fair point, although i don't think it's that difficult. First of all, people who are suffering need good help and support, thereafter the recovery starts with making changes to a persons life. Exercise is great and talking to people, doing things that you'd not normally do. Some people may always have mental health problems, although like anything it's about managing it. People do need to make changes in order to recover, services can only do so much and will often encourage small changes to lifestyle.

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    "Mental illness is a problem that seems to follow some people around"

    This is an unusual phrase. Would you describe any other illness as following some people around?
    Mental illness is just harder to measure. Are you missing a foot? Then you can compare to some who has both feet and another with no legs. Itís definable.

    Mental illness - youíre depressed? How depressed? How do you measure against when someone is going to go over the edge?

    The campaigns are good but everyoneís tolerances are completely different

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    People are allowed to post things anonymously on social media that they wouldnít say to a person's face. Thatís effectively it in a nutshell.

  23. #23

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    People are allowed to post things anonymously on social media that they wouldnít say to a person's face. Thatís effectively it in a nutshell.
    Bingo. No easy answers here... but for starters:

    1/ you need to be 18 to use one of these platforms. Drivers licience/passport required in the sign up process, not too dissimilar to anyone of us signing up to a bookie account these days.
    2/ no hiding behind a pseudonim... posts need to íbelongí to someone. Accountability and visibility. Not so difficult to administer accurately if point 1 is implemented.

  24. #24

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It is unusual. What i would say is that like any illness, people need to help themselves in certain situations. If using social media or concentrating on negative comments effects the individual then they need to limit their time on these platforms. If mental illness is 'like any other illness' like alot of people say then individuals have to take responsibility for the things that can make that illness escalate, obviously with help and support.
    Itís not as simple as that though. Just saying ďDonít use social mediaĒ is like telling someone to ďSnap out of itĒ. It really isnít that simple when your head is not in a good state.

    The mind is complex and when you are suffering mental health problems you canít think rationally.

    When I had a breakdown and was off work I couldnít get rid of negative thoughts entering the mind and it just snowballs. I was sitting in the garden one day trying to have a peaceful 10 minutes to myself as suggested by the counsellor and I noticed a crack in next doors wall and I convinced myself their house and my house was going to collapse. My wife would tell me to stop looking at it but I become fixated on it and that was another negative to add to my list of negatives I would play on a loop in my mind. I couldnít wait to drop a sleeping tablet to go to sleep and rid myself of negative thoughts and would dread waking up as the thoughts would return instantly and I couldnít get them out of my head.

    Now that Iím better I can look back and laugh at how ridiculous some of the things I was getting worked up about were but at the time itís really not funny, You start to worry you wonít get better and then start considering suicide. Thankfully the chemicals kicked in sooner rather than later for me but for many, including that poor girl, the mind has convinced them itís the only option.

    Very, very sad when someone who by and large had made a success of her life in her 40 years on this earth thought that taking her own life was the only choice she had left.

    RIP

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    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    It’s not as simple as that though. Just saying “Don’t use social media” is like telling someone to “Snap out of it”. It really isn’t that simple when your head is not in a good state.

    The mind is complex and when you are suffering mental health problems you can’t think rationally.

    When I had a breakdown and was off work I couldn’t get rid of negative thoughts entering the mind and it just snowballs. I was sitting in the garden one day trying to have a peaceful 10 minutes to myself as suggested by the counsellor and I noticed a crack in next doors wall and I convinced myself their house and my house was going to collapse. My wife would tell me to stop looking at it but I become fixated on it and that was another negative to add to my list of negatives I would play on a loop in my mind. I couldn’t wait to drop a sleeping tablet to go to sleep and rid myself of negative thoughts and would dread waking up as the thoughts would return instantly and I couldn’t get them out of my head.

    Now that I’m better I can look back and laugh at how ridiculous some of the things I was getting worked up about were but at the time it’s really not funny, You start to worry you won’t get better and then start considering suicide. Thankfully the chemicals kicked in sooner rather than later for me but for many, including that poor girl, the mind has convinced them it’s the only option.

    Very, very sad when someone who by and large had made a success of her life in her 40 years on this earth thought that taking her own life was the only choice she had left.

    RIP
    I'm really pleased that you're feeling better, it must have been horrendous for you and your family to go through. You don't have to answer this, but did you make any changes to your lifestyle or did you carry on as normal and allow the medication to kick in? You said that you were having a quiet 10 minutes as suggested by the counsellor, isn't that a lifestyle change in order to make yourself feel better?

    I know that medical professionals offer good advice on changing certain aspects of a persons life in order to combat Mental illness, things that can trigger a situation or make things worse. Obviously the medication has to kick in and a person needs to start feeling better before any changes take place. Once again, really pleased that you're feeling better.

  26. #26

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Shows such as Love Island and it's ilk need to be axed because they pray on certain personality types to go on those shows. Anyone who watches these shows perpetuates the hurt they can do.

  27. #27

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Mental illness is a serious problem and despite all the media attention on it recently there is still a massive stigma about it and a shocking lack of investment and support in mental health services

    The average wait for 6 sessions of basic counselling at most gp services is 6 months !

    Imagine going to your doctor with a broken ankle , a far less serious illness than clinical depression ....and being told oh we can help but its 6 months ! Feck me if you break your ankle you are in and out of hospital in two or three days

    The funding from the public for cancer , heart disease , children's health dwarfs that given to mental health and the HHS is the same , mental health funding is bottom of the pile

    It seems in this case substance misuse complicated this person's treatment but mental ill health and drinking or drug taking go hand in hand

    As for lifestyle changes like healthy eating and exercise they are of course part of an overall treatment plan but if there are no therapists , nurses or psychiatrists to back this up then its pissing in the wind

    A holistic approach to mental health treatment is what is required and we simply dont have that at the moment

    It's either poor treatment in the community or hospitalization

    I told my psychiatrist a few years ago that if I was discharged from her care I would end back in hospital in weeks , she discharged me and I was back in llandough

    If she had kept me under her care with a psychiatric nurse , support worker and community psychiatric nurse I wouldnt have had to go through the horrific ordeal of a month in a mental hospital with some seriously disturbed patients

    It is those patients who require intensive hospital support , those of us who have lifelong battles with mental illness need care in the community with properly funded nursing and psychiatric support and , if needed , help to come of alcohol or drugs , if applicable

    This lady had serious problems and in many serious cases people are unable to be saved , they are hard wired to self destruction but for most , even with severe mental health difficulties a better life can be attained

    The problem is it takes money and as we live in a society where people want good services but are not prepared to pay for them through taxation , the rate of suicide and people falling through the net will continue

  28. #28

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by PontBlue View Post
    Shows such as Love Island and it's ilk need to be axed because they pray on certain personality types to go on those shows. Anyone who watches these shows perpetuates the hurt they can do.
    Big Brother was running for nearly 20 years- well before social media blew up. How many big brother contestants have killed themselves? If your pointing the finger- it needs to be at twitter/insta and all those other sites that give people the vehicle to facelessly dish out abuse and insults.

    The issue is social media.

  29. #29

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by stevebrickman View Post
    Big Brother was running for nearly 20 years- well before social media blew up. How many big brother contestants have killed themselves? If your pointing the finger- it needs to be at twitter/insta and all those other sites that give people the vehicle to facelessly dish out abuse and insults.

    The issue is social media.
    According to this (sorry it's The Scum), nearly 40 reality tv show contestants worldwide have committed suicide since 1986. I'd agree social media is a major factor, but they probably exacerbate each other.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...de-reality-tv/

  30. #30

    Re: Caroline Flack

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I'm really pleased that you're feeling better, it must have been horrendous for you and your family to go through. You don't have to answer this, but did you make any changes to your lifestyle or did you carry on as normal and allow the medication to kick in? You said that you were having a quiet 10 minutes as suggested by the counsellor, isn't that a lifestyle change in order to make yourself feel better?

    I know that medical professionals offer good advice on changing certain aspects of a persons life in order to combat Mental illness, things that can trigger a situation or make things worse. Obviously the medication has to kick in and a person needs to start feeling better before any changes take place. Once again, really pleased that you're feeling better.
    I stopped drinking for a while and went to the gym more, started running the roads, lost a bit of weight and so that helped me feel better about myself but itís the medication that keeps my mind in order.

    I come off the tablets too quickly Xmas 2018 and by April 2019 I was in a bad place mentally. I hadnít slept more than a couple of hours a night for months and insomnia is an absolute mother ****er if you are not well. The thoughts circling the head at 3,4am are the worse. By the time I was getting up for work at 7am I was mentally exhausted. Took a while for the meds to kick in again, I thought I was never going to get better but they eventually kicked in and I was back in work after a month off.

    Worked paid for 4 sessions with a counsellor at Mind because the NHS was a waste of time, but speaking from my own personal point of view the counsellor was another waste of time. Ex teacher who was topping up her retirement fund. Just telling me things I could look up online myself. Work offered to pay for another 4 sessions but I declined. She forgot an exercise sheet we were going to go through one week to teach me some CBD techniques. She was hopeless.

    Thinking of tapering off the meds again as the tablet I take in the night, whilst giving me a tremendous deep sleep, I am constantly hungry on it and itís known for weight gain. All the weight Iíd lost running I put back on. Back in the gym this last month though so getting back into it and eating better. Still enjoy a few pints though.

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