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If these lads are 20/21 then as a mate said ‘if they were that good they would be playing regularly by now’
Only Coxe has got near out of that lot and unfortunately it didn’t work out.
Seems harsh and I’d expect it was a tough decision for him, but better for these lads to know sooner rather than later and now the next year or 2 will get the chance to step up and make an impression.
Good luck to these lads .
Spot on.Originally Posted by Lawnmower
Totally agree Tim, I don’t think it does lads any good hanging around too long when they’re in their early 20s. In fact in a perfect football world I want to see players of 18/19 in the first team. In the big picture 22 & 23 year olds, if they haven’t made it by then at their club, should be let go. It doesn’t really matter if they make it big later, all that proves is that they weren’t a good fit at their original club. And it follows that we pick up players in their mid 20s who weren’t perfect fits at their previous clubs, Etheridge, Mendez-Laing etc, players who’d been shown the door in their younger days by clubs at our level or higher.
the harsh truth of modern day football such a cut throat business
with the ever decreasing numbers of young pros failing to make the grade coming through the ranks is there any point in academys these days with the money spent on them ?
It was harder 20 or 30 years ago, no u23 teams which seems to me like an extension of youth team football and seems to allow clubs and afford young pros more time to develop, although that doesn't seem to be working at our club. It used to be to years YTS, a player was called in half way through the second year and basically told that if they didn't do something special in the final 6 moths of their contract then they were out. If a player made the grade then they were given a pro contract at 18 (in 1990 that was £125 per week) and they then trained with the first team and played for the reserves until they were deemed good enough. No messing about, it was down to the young player to impose himself on the manager and coaching staff. Young players learnt on the job against seasoned Pros.
I've not been convinced of the value of a reserve set up. Brentford dont bother and look where they are.
On the other hand Swansea Town have done well with their Cat 1 status.
Best of luck to the youngsters released. I suspect a couple of them have clubs lined up already.
yeah that was years ago tuerto but modern day clubs spend a small fortune to make a pro football and 99.8% fail
to me that's not value for money . no fancy academys back then
to me we should we should regional our talented young players not attaching them to football clubs to all our 4 associations rather trying to make a kid spend years in an academy with no or little chance of making the grade
It's always been the case. out of my age group only two players made the grade, Damon Searle and Nathan Blake, in the year below it was Nathan Jones, they all went on to have full careers, that was three out of about 35 lads, actually not a bad return. I really think that if a player is good enough and they have decent coaches then they'll make the grade and end up where their ability and character allows them. I think that players can be over coached into something bland and generic.
What about players that are good enough but don't have the discipline and work ethic to succeed? There must be plenty of them.
loads mate, in my experience it was the players who worked hardest who ended up making the grade, the ones who made sacrifices. Plenty out there with ability and natural talent, it means nothing if you don't work hard.
I guess that's something you can't coach. Although, it seems these days senior players are much more serious about their health and fitness and concentration levels and imagine that the young players see what it takes.
No offence mate but a completely different era.
Plus, we were in the dungeon then. We weren’t an established top half championship club with money thrown at transfers.
None taken, sorry for being a bit thick, but apart from the observations you've made, what is the point that you're making?
That a lot more players come through the system when we were in the lower leagues and didn’t have a pot to piss in. The 3 you mention. Gareth Abraham and Lee Baddeley also. Steve Williams the keeper. Scott Young, Lee Jarman, Lee Phillips, Nathan Wigg, Simon Howarth, Andy Evans. All see a fair bit of first team action within the space of a few years.
Also, it was a 2 year YTS in those days and you were either cut loose when you are 18 or you joined the first team. This under 23 nonsense is a hinderence to the young lads rather than an advantage imo.
Now the boys who would normally be told they didn’t have a future at 18 are being strung along until they are 21/22.
Let’s hope they all have a sell on clause like bale
Really ? That does happen occasionally in football . The reality is we won’t be looking at any of them in 3 years time thinking what is wrong with our youth system .
If however, this exceptional circumstance does occur, I do expect a torrent of posts in true Cardiff City fashion crying about our poor perception of players abilities .
I watched Cardiff playing Chelsea a couple of years ago , Loftus Cheek was playing and he was exceptional . Their lads were light years away from ours . Even at the youth now it’s all about the money . The rich clubs plunder the poorer clubs for their talent . We are left with the dross .
I might have been in the minority of one , but I actually liked what I saw from Coxe in patches .
Despite my previous post , I wouldn’t be surprised to see him making a living playing football at some level .
But at what level?
Apparently we tried to get him a loan to a League Two club in the summer, but they didn't think he was good enough defensively.
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Cameron Coxe:
On my limited viewing of his first team performances I always felt he would have been a little better suited to being a rwb in a sweeper system. That said my feeling was that he'd be most at home playing on the right of a midfield-four. It didn't strike me that he was a pure defender.
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Someone's not happy(his dad?)
https://twitter.com/coxeyccfc/status...769470977?s=19
Well, if that's true about the club blocking loans four times, he has a right to be upset - I'm struggling to think of an argument as to why they should do that if he wasn't going to be playing for the first team
It seems a bit of an odd thing to claim. Wouldn't the club be arranging the loan themselves?
No, I don't think so, clubs could have made enquiries about him with a view to taking him on loan and were turned down.
That's why I think it's unfair to suggest they're moving on because they're not good enough. I would imagine that, with notable exceptions aside, so many youth players either make it or don't on basis of being in right place at right time. This lot would have had a much better chance if Harris had been our manager two years ago and yet those aged two years younger are potentially being asked to learn in yet another new system that it may have come too late for some of them as well.
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