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  1. #2611

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Crikey....

    Coronavirus: Wales' 19 field hospitals cost £166m to build https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52752976

    No mention of this on here....35 patients.
    Golden Labour moments ,20 years and counting ,hope Sir Keir has Drakesford mobile number on speed dial

  2. #2612

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Golden Labour moments ,20 years and counting ,hope Sir Keir has Drakesford mobile number on speed dial
    I thought you were impressed by the field hospitals across the UK?

  3. #2613

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I thought you were impressed by the field hospitals across the UK?
    was impressed by the effort not impressed by Mr Drakeford in any shape or form

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52738526

    Are you >??????????????

  4. #2614

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    was impressed by the effort not impressed by Mr Drakeford in any shape or form

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52738526

    Are you >??????????????
    I think the whole of the UK has made a complete cockup of this. I live in ingerland so haven't followed Wales to any great degree. You have changed your tune though, it was all about celebrating the positives when we were talking about the UK gov a few weeks back but not seemingly when it is about the Welsh government. Are their failings any greater in your opinion?

  5. #2615

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I thought you were impressed by the field hospitals across the UK?
    Only in England apparently, different party in Government you see.

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  7. #2617

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    I missed the first two Thursday night NHS celebrations (I wasn't aware of it for the first and nodded off in front of the telly for the second!) and have joined in with them all since then, but I can understand where this doctor is coming from;-

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...eople-clapping

  8. #2618

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I missed the first two Thursday night NHS celebrations (I wasn't aware of it for the first and nodded off in front of the telly for the second!) and have joined in with them all since then, but I can understand where this doctor is coming from;-

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...eople-clapping
    I have made a point of not doing it for various reasons. I am sure some NHS workers enjoy it and some cringe at the thought of it.

  9. #2619

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I thought you were impressed by the field hospitals across the UK?
    I think they had to be done but as they could be something we require in the future, surely they should have tried to build them somewhere sustainable? Clearly keeping any future virus patients away from mainstream hospitals is vital. The MS, bluestone for some obscure reason, scarlets ground etc....all got to be taken down again.

  10. #2620

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    Wouldn’t that just be a hospital then? A field hospital is just a temporary hospital isn’t it? They were always there for the peak and removed once they weren’t being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I missed the first two Thursday night NHS celebrations (I wasn't aware of it for the first and nodded off in front of the telly for the second!) and have joined in with them all since then, but I can understand where this doctor is coming from;-

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...eople-clapping
    I have joined in the Thursday clapping from the start, and last night it was at the same level as 6 weeks ago. I understand the case made by some that it is a sentimental distraction from the real issues in the NHS, and sometimes carried out by people who voted for parties that undermined the health and care services. But I feel that the genuine shared community support for those people and services that have led the fight against Covid 19 is valuable - and I think the clapping has held the government's feet to the fire on all the issues raised in the opinion piece, more than deflected attention.

    I'm not sure how or when the clapping will stop. It will fizzle out at some point. But I have a (maybe naive) hope that the country will be a different place when the pandemic has passed - clearly worse economically and with tens of thousands of dead, but also with a clearer focus on mutual support and what is important in life. In our area there are community action groups formed that will not go away when Covid goes, and friendships formed that wouldn't have happened in the 'old normal'.

  12. #2622

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I have joined in the Thursday clapping from the start, and last night it was at the same level as 6 weeks ago. I understand the case made by some that it is a sentimental distraction from the real issues in the NHS, and sometimes carried out by people who voted for parties that undermined the health and care services. But I feel that the genuine shared community support for those people and services that have led the fight against Covid 19 is valuable - and I think the clapping has held the government's feet to the fire on all the issues raised in the opinion piece, more than deflected attention.

    I'm not sure how or when the clapping will stop. It will fizzle out at some point. But I have a (maybe naive) hope that the country will be a different place when the pandemic has passed - clearly worse economically and with tens of thousands of dead, but also with a clearer focus on mutual support and what is important in life. In our area there are community action groups formed that will not go away when Covid goes, and friendships formed that wouldn't have happened in the 'old normal'.
    Anyone who know me would know I'm a big proponent of the NHS. I've worked with the NHS, raised money for it messaged MPs to try to encourage support of it and try to minimize the influence of companies seeking to bleed it .
    I have many friends who work for the NHS across various levels.

    I haven't attended the weekly saucepan banging once.

    I don't see anything wrong with people wanting to express their support in that way, but it isn't for me.

    It just feels like a distraction from the real issues to me - I know that isn't how other people see it and I have no doubt it started with good intentions.

    I had similarly unpopular views about the help for heroes charity which was ubiquitous a few years ago.

  13. #2623

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    I think they had to be done but as they could be something we require in the future, surely they should have tried to build them somewhere sustainable? Clearly keeping any future virus patients away from mainstream hospitals is vital. The MS, bluestone for some obscure reason, scarlets ground etc....all got to be taken down again.
    You know that they're field hospitals, right? They are temporary by definition.

    The Tories are going to be building lots of new hospitals though, they've promised us. So don't you worry about it, sweetheart.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50579557

  14. #2624

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I think the whole of the UK has made a complete cockup of this. I live in ingerland so haven't followed Wales to any great degree. You have changed your tune though, it was all about celebrating the positives when we were talking about the UK gov a few weeks back but not seemingly when it is about the Welsh government. Are their failings any greater in your opinion?
    He won't criticise the tories for some reason, utterly bizzare.

  15. #2625

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    Following on from that Doctor's opinion of the Thursday night NHS tributes;-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52773032

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Following on from that Doctor's opinion of the Thursday night NHS tributes;-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52773032
    A proper end to it would be good, rather than it just fizzling out.

    A two minute clap next Thursday, then all the referees in the country blow their whistles at the same time to signal the end!

  17. #2627

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I missed the first two Thursday night NHS celebrations (I wasn't aware of it for the first and nodded off in front of the telly for the second!) and have joined in with them all since then, but I can understand where this doctor is coming from;-

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...eople-clapping
    That's been my thought process from the start. It's certainly well intentioned and i wouldn't call those who voted for Austerity or who aren't taking social distancing seriously, Hypocrites, i'd just accuse them of being stupid, you can be a bit negligent and still appreciate what people do. A bit like dropping litter but valuing the refuse collectors.

    What we do need now is a sustained democratic attack on this government in order to get these people better pay and conditions, not just NHS staff, but the thousands of low paid zero hour care workers who are doing a fantastic job within the community with the sick, elderly and vulnerable. The rainbows and clapping will count for nothing if we allow this government to get away with what they have done over the last ten years or so. It's time for people to get of their arses.

  18. #2628

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    That's been my thought process from the start. It's certainly well intentioned and i wouldn't call those who voted for Austerity or who aren't taking social distancing seriously, Hypocrites, i'd just accuse them of being stupid, you can be a bit negligent and still appreciate what people do. A bit like dropping litter but valuing the refuse collectors.

    What we do need now is a sustained democratic attack on this government in order to get these people better pay and conditions, not just NHS staff, but the thousands of low paid zero hour care workers who are doing a fantastic job within the community with the sick, elderly and vulnerable. The rainbows and clapping will count for nothing if we allow this government to get away with what they have done over the last ten years or so. It's time for people to get of their arses.
    THIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    What we do need now is a sustained democratic attack on this government in order to get these people better pay and conditions, not just NHS staff, but the thousands of low paid zero hour care workers who are doing a fantastic job within the community with the sick, elderly and vulnerable. The rainbows and clapping will count for nothing if we allow this government to get away with what they have done over the last ten years or so. It's time for people to get of their arses.
    Agree with that 100%.

  20. #2630

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Sweden now havé highest deaths per capita, shows how important the lockdown has been really. Imagine how bad we would have been otherwise.
    Latest figures from Worldometer shows Sweden with 389 deaths per million population, UK with 536. Maybe Sweden got it right and we got it wrong?

  21. #2631

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Latest figures from Worldometer shows Sweden with 389 deaths per million population, UK with 536. Maybe Sweden got it right and we got it wrong?
    No lockdown or millions of unemployed either

  22. #2632

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Latest figures from Worldometer shows Sweden with 389 deaths per million population, UK with 536. Maybe Sweden got it right and we got it wrong?
    I think there are many countries rather than Sweden that would be better candidates for ‘getting it right’.

  23. #2633

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    Fair play to Matt Hancock. When he was trawling the tv studios calling for a police investigation of Neil Ferguson's lockdown indiscretions who would have thought that he was really targeting the guy who was lining him up as the patsy for this debacle!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...virus-lockdown

  24. #2634

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Fair play to Matt Hancock. When he was trawling the tv studios calling for a police investigation of Neil Ferguson's lockdown indiscretions who would have thought that he was really targeting the guy who was lining him up as the patsy for this debacle!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...virus-lockdown
    Good the most dangerous person in politics gets caught out .

  25. #2635

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    This is the worst Government in my lifetime. A lying, cheating and lazy PrimeMinister backed up a lying manipulative adviser
    Add in the nasty Patel, hopeless Hancock, arrogant Rees-Mogg and a raft of weak ministers and you have in all its glory a shambles of an administration.

    I cannot believe so many people can still vote for this lot.

  26. #2636

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Latest figures from Worldometer shows Sweden with 389 deaths per million population, UK with 536. Maybe Sweden got it right and we got it wrong?
    That figure of 389 puts Sweden in eighth place in the deaths per 1 million table on Worldometers. If you were to look at, say, their Scandinavian neighbours, you'd find Denmark in twenty sixth with 97, Finland in thirty fourth with 55 and Norway in forty first with 43 - we are sixth. While accepting that care should be taken when comparing countries, the truth is that all of the information you'll find on Worldometers currently paints us in a bad light and I struggle to see how that is going to change completely in the coming months and years when the figures become more unified.

  27. #2637

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    This is the worst Government in my lifetime. A lying, cheating and lazy PrimeMinister backed up a lying manipulative adviser
    Add in the nasty Patel, hopeless Hancock, arrogant Rees-Mogg and a raft of weak ministers and you have in all its glory a shambles of an administration.

    I cannot believe so many people can still vote for this lot.
    Incredible really. Just goes to show how weak the opposition was. If there was a half decent opposition from labour or liberal this wouldn’t have happened but both parties somehow fell apart.
    The whole political system needs changing in this country, more choice parties and certain policy set in stone voted by the people not manipulated by the next government as soon as they come in. There’s no continuity ever

  28. #2638

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    There has been plenty of talk about allowing Cheltenham and the Liverpool v Athletico games to go ahead, but, although the numbers attending weren't as big, I wonder how much the Sterephonics concerts in Cardiff on 14 and 15 March had to do with making the deaths figures in RCT, Merthyr, Newport and Cardiff so much worse than in much of the UK?

  29. #2639

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    There has been plenty of talk about allowing Cheltenham and the Liverpool v Athletico games to go ahead, but, although the numbers attending weren't as big, I wonder how much the Sterephonics concerts in Cardiff on 14 and 15 March had to do with making the deaths figures in RCT, Merthyr, Newport and Cardiff so much worse than in much of the UK?

    I believe, that I read German deaths are up again !
    Will they blame football ????

  30. #2640

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    I believe, that I read German deaths are up again !
    Will they blame football ????
    No, they will blame the Corona virus

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