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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I never said that. I said the person who reported the first sighting was correct. He is the man who drove to Ascot to collect his daughter from a house when she was isolating and take her to another house where he and his family were isolating.
    The man who reported the second sighting, Mr Matthews was lying. If you have read an article in the daily mail that says different I'd like to see it.
    no the first person that reported the second sighting wasn't the same person that later admitted he made it up. the person who made it up was the second person to report the second sighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Where did you read it?

    for "In the newspapers that I don't read (real or online)"
    Supply answer for anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    no the first person that reported the second sighting wasn't the same person that later admitted he made it up. the person who made it up was the second person to report the second sighting!
    Not sure what the point of all this is. Cummings has admitted that he was in Durham and in Barnard's Castle. The second sighting being a lie does not negate the antics of Cummings and his 30 mile eyesight test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    What police visit? I don't remember that part of the story, sorry. I only remember the police saying that they spoke to the family about self-isolating - number 10 said they didn't speak to the family - then the police said that they spoke to his dad about security matters. If I'm wrong, then I'll accpet that - but I'm having problems finding the reporting of a police visit.

    But if I'm not wrong, then we're having this debate just because someone lied in one part of this story and the media printed it - because he made it look like it was accurate.

    The papers couldn't verify the Barnard Castle visit btw - yet they printed what the witness had told them and after Number 10 vehemently denied it - Cummings came out and admitted it.

    I don't see where the "spin" is in this story at all, sorry. All of the spin has been after the news broke and certain agendas have been trying to poke holes wherever they can so that they can say "if that bit wasn't true - none of it was".

    Just my opinion.
    The police said they attended the property, the media added the reason. The Durham police have now stated that they did not visit as a result of a complaint about Cummins' presence, and they did not speak to him and his wife. The actually visited the property at Mr Cummins senior's request to discuss security of the property. It had nothing to do with Cummins or anything connected to lock-down . Another point that bothers me about this is that the Durham Police could have corrected the suggestions regarding the visit immediately but that chose not to. I wonder who made that call?
    Yes the Barnard castle visit was correct, the alleged second sighting was the lie. It seems to me that the media don't check too hard when what they hear suits their argument and do if it doesn't. It should have been easily proven that Cummins was in fact in London on the day of the alleged second visit.
    Every time the do this kind of thing they just make me doubt the honestly of anything in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Not sure what the point of all this is. Cummings has admitted that he was in Durham and in Barnard's Castle. The second sighting being a lie does not negate the antics of Cummings and his 30 mile eyesight test.
    exactly, he admitted it himself.

    in any case the second sighting was not a lie, just someone who jumped onto the bandwagon of the second sighting was making it up.

    what is being attempted here is to muddy the waters and exhaust people's capacity for critical reasoning. and it seems like it is working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    The police said they attended the property, the media added the reason. The Durham police have now stated that they did not visit as a result of a complaint about Cummins' presence, and they did not speak to him and his wife. The actually visited the property at Mr Cummins senior's request to discuss security of the property. It had nothing to do with Cummins or anything connected to lock-down . Another point that bothers me about this is that the Durham Police could have corrected the suggestions regarding the visit immediately but that chose not to. I wonder who made that call?
    Yes the Barnard castle visit was correct, the alleged second sighting was the lie. It seems to me that the media don't check too hard when what they hear suits their argument and do if it doesn't. It should have been easily proven that Cummins was in fact in London on the day of the alleged second visit.
    Every time the do this kind of thing they just make me doubt the honestly of anything in the media.
    And that is why you have come to the decision not to read any newspapers (real or online), but you will abstain from abstaining if something you read suits your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    exactly, he admitted it himself.

    in any case the second sighting was not a lie, just someone who jumped onto the bandwagon of the second sighting was making it up.

    what is being attempted here is to muddy the waters and exhaust people's capacity for critical reasoning. and it seems like it is working.
    Well, we are talking about xsnaggle who, to be fair, isn't an atypical critical thinker. Or, even, a thinker of any description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    And that is why you have come to the decision not to read any newspapers (real or online), but you will abstain from abstaining if something you read suits your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Where did you read it?

    for "In the newspapers that I don't read (real or online)"
    Supply answer for anything else.
    I've no idea what xsnaggle reads but the points in his post earlier today that seems to have first fired him up mostly appear to have been themes in recent Daily Mail articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Well, we are talking about xsnaggle who, to be fair, isn't an atypical critical thinker. Or, even, a thinker of any description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    I've no idea what xsnaggle reads but the points in his post earlier today that seems to have first fired him up mostly appear to have been themes in recent Daily Mail articles.
    This cannot be possible - he has said on this forum that he doesn't read newspapers (real or online). It would be awful if he was lying, whilst spending a good part of his day attacking someone for lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    qed

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    qed

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    It had nothing to do with Cummins or anything connected to lock-down .
    Well, this was the original Durham police statement to the press on the Friday. ‘Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house. In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Well, this was the original Durham police statement on the Friday. ‘Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house. In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel’.
    Yes I gathered that but now apparently they have said something else. As I have kept saying all these tales and counter tales just make it impossilbe to trust anything you read or hear most of the time In the long run none of them do themselves any favours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Yes I gathered that but now apparently they have said something else. As I have kept saying all these tales and counter tales just make it impossilbe to trust anything you read or hear most of the time In the long run none of them do themselves any favours.
    You seemed to believe the “counter tales” easily enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    The police said they attended the property, the media added the reason. The Durham police have now stated that they did not visit as a result of a complaint about Cummins' presence, and they did not speak to him and his wife. The actually visited the property at Mr Cummins senior's request to discuss security of the property. It had nothing to do with Cummins or anything connected to lock-down . Another point that bothers me about this is that the Durham Police could have corrected the suggestions regarding the visit immediately but that chose not to. I wonder who made that call?
    Yes the Barnard castle visit was correct, the alleged second sighting was the lie. It seems to me that the media don't check too hard when what they hear suits their argument and do if it doesn't. It should have been easily proven that Cummins was in fact in London on the day of the alleged second visit.
    Every time the do this kind of thing they just make me doubt the honestly of anything in the media.
    I'm 90% sure you've got that wrong. I don't remember them saying that they visited for a start but they said that they spoke about self-isolation or words to that effect. The media printed what the police gave them. It was in quotes at the time - I'm sure of it.

    If you're wrong, maybe you've been taken in by the spin

    Edit: Just seen Baloo's post. You were massively wrong. The media didn't spin that story at all, they printed what the police said and the police later retracted it/changed their story. That's the police's fault, not the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Yes I gathered that but now apparently they have said something else. As I have kept saying all these tales and counter tales just make it impossilbe to trust anything you read or hear most of the time In the long run none of them do themselves any favours.
    At the risk of you showing yourself to be a complete arsehole with an emoticon, but maybe you could provide a link so that we could read these "tales and counter tales"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    I'm 90% you've got that wrong. I don't remember them saying that they visited for a start but they said thay they spoke about self-isolation or words to that effect. The media printed what the police gave them. It was in quotes at the time - I'm sure of it.

    If you're wrong, maybe you've been taken in by the spin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    I'm 90% you've got that wrong. I don't remember them saying that they visited for a start but they said thay they spoke about self-isolation or words to that effect. The media printed what the police gave them. It was in quotes at the time - I'm sure of it.

    If you're wrong, maybe you've been taken in by the spin
    Maybe I have, but media being what it is we will never know which is which probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    At the risk of you showing yourself to be a complete arsehole with an emoticon, but maybe you could provide a link so that we could read these "tales and counter tales"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Yes I gathered that but now apparently they have said something else. As I have kept saying all these tales and counter tales just make it impossilbe to trust anything you read or hear most of the time In the long run none of them do themselves any favours.
    and there we have it - exactly what the purpose of that disingenuous article was

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Maybe I have, but media being what it is we will never know which is which probably.
    In your opinion, which has been formed from abstaining from reading the media, except when it proves a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    and there we have it - exactly what the purpose of that disingenuous article was
    BINGO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    and there we have it - exactly what the purpose of that disingenuous article was
    Yep all very disingenuous and unfortunately lots of people will fall for it.

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