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"The retired teacher saw Cummins in Barnard Castle whilst he was'isolating' in Durham" - where in Durham was he "isolating" that makes this is an issue?Originally Posted by xsnaggle
When did he pick his daughter up from Berkshire? Was it before or after CummingsGate and the easing of lockdown in England?
Asking for a friend.
apparently it was either just before or just after the ban on driving distances was relaxed but form what I saw he wasn't sure, and he definitely contacted and traveled with a person who was isolating at another place and took them into his family which risked possibly infecting either his family or the people in the house he went to to collect her, which despite when he did it was still contrary to the lockdown requirements. So basically he took the risk of contaminating the people in the house in Berkshire or of his daughter contaminating his family in Durham.
As I have now said 3 times, it doesn't make what Cummins did right but it makes you doubt people when they say things, particularly when its held and altered by the media. That is the main point, that the media spin things so you cannot take anything on face value.
But you don't read the media. You've said this.
I know you struggle with facts, that is fine. I am just reminding any readers that you have an awful lot of opinions on something that you claim you don't even read.
Either you are a liar (in that you do read newspapers "real or online")
Or, you have an anti-media agenda and are cherry-picking examples to back up your anti-media sentiments and biases.
I can't really see it being anything other than those two things at present.
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I know you struggle with facts, that is fine. I am just reminding any readers that you have an awful lot of opinions on something that you claim you don't even read.
Either you are a liar (in that you do read newspapers "real or online")
Or, you have an anti-media agenda and are cherry-picking examples to back up your anti-media sentiments and biases.
I can't really see it being anything other than those two things at present.
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So you are a liar with an anti-media agenda. Thanks for confirming.
I'm asking you these questions because you are taking the medias word for it on how they're reporting the "facts" yet questioned everything else preceding the news today.
You have said yourself that the gentleman in question "saw Cummins in Barnard Castle whilst he was'isolating' in Durham" - I want to know how you know he was isolating in Durham as if you're going to keep saying that the media twist everything, then surely you can see that this could be twisted? Does he even live in Durham?
I said Cummins was isolating in Durham (County) not the man who saw him, it never occurred to me that the chap didn't live local in Barnard Castle (Co Durham) and was in his local area when he saw Cummins. But he did admit that he drove 250 miles to collect his daughter from Ascot, so if he doesn't live in Durham its must be pretty close if it was that direction.
Gotcha. The way you wrote it made it look like you were talking about the witness. My bad
I'm still unsure as to why you think the media twisted the Cummings story though - whether the "retired teacher" broke the rules or not is irrelevant. His version of events that he told The Sun/The Guardian turned out to be 100% true - as Cummings admitted.
The only... I repeat only thing that was inaccurate in all of the reporting was the 'second trip' that Cummings supposedly made and it was never printed as fact.
The Mail are now spinning it as though it's all lies and the "retired teacher" cannot be a good witness because of irrelevant facts, which you seem to be projecting too - but that would mean that you're taken in by their spin of it, which you say you're sceptical of. I'm getting dizzy now.
I don't think they did, but the second story was spun as the guy admits it was a lie and you expect professional journalists to spot that, if it suited them, ahe Tit about the police speaking to Cummins' family was spun, the reality being that they went there when called by Mr cummins senior to discuss security, nothing to do with Cummins and his trip. Things like that just taint the truth that they are built on.Gotcha. The way you wrote it made it look like you were talking about the witness. My bad
I'm still unsure as to why you think the media twisted the Cummings story though - whether the "retired teacher" broke the rules or not is irrelevant. His version of events that he told The Sun/The Guardian turned out to be 100% true - as Cummings admitted.
The only... I repeat only thing that was inaccurate in all of the reporting was the 'second trip' that Cummings supposedly made and it was never printed as fact.
The Mail are now spinning it as though it's all lies and the "retired teacher" cannot be a good witness because of irrelevant facts, which you seem to be projecting too - but that would mean that you're taken in by their spin of it, which you say you're sceptical of. I'm getting dizzy now.
But when the shit storm started before I had only read one article and people started to attack me referring to a completely different article. But its over and I have no wish to reignite that.
And it happens I don't like him anyway, there are some people you can take an instant dislike to just looking at them, and for me he is one of those.
You would expect the Mail to spin that but it just re-enforces my point about that fact you cannot trust anything today to be the straight truth, it is all spun to suit one agenda or the other.
I feel like you keep glossing over the point I'm making - why do you keep saying that the Cummings story was "spun"?
Out of everything that was reported there was one inaccuracy - and that appears to be because the so-called witness went to some effort with his lie.
That's not spinning the story - that's printing exactly what happened and being given dodgy information by someone.
Where do you think the "spin" is in this story from the left-wing media?
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