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And that's why testing is important. Person A can have the virus and not be unwell at all. That's great for Person A. But Person A can unwittingly give the virus to his mum, who might become unwell and then might die.Originally Posted by Michael Morris
We don't need testing to find out if people are unwell or not. Our bodies are already good enough for that.
Inevitably though (because we saw it the spring and we've been seeing it again for a couple of months) a lot of positive tests means more unwell people and more deaths.
Nearly 500 deaths were recorded in the U.K. yesterday and almost ten per cent of them were in Wales. There
Not sure that's the best choice of words, Mike. You sound like David Icke.
As Elwood rightly says, it's the deaths figures that are scaring the public the most, and while they can be manipulated in terms of their presentation, they can't be altered. The fact of the matter is that, up to and including 16th October, there had been 55,092 more deaths in the UK during 2020 than the five-year average, and there's little doubt that figure will rise significantly during the next couple of months.
Considering you're apparently sceptical about the effects of this virus, I'll share my experiences with you:
Up until a few weeks ago, the only person I knew personally who'd had a positive test was one of my closest friends in work. She lives with a relative who is a care worker. The relative tested positive in July during a routine round of tests at her workplace, but showed no symptoms of any note. My friend, however, began to feel constantly exhausted and lost her sense of taste, so she got tested and was also positive. Her symptoms passed within a couple of weeks and she continued working from home throughout.
About a month ago, a colleague's son, who's in his early-twenties, began to feel unwell. He got tested, was confirmed as positive and was confined to bed feeling very rough for a week or so. The rest of the family got tested as a matter of course and my colleague, her husband and her father all tested positive. My colleague lost her sense of taste and felt a bit tired, but was otherwise OK. She was well enough to continue working from home. Her husband was quite poorly for four or five days, but recovered fairly quickly. However, her father became seriously ill soon after his positive test, was admitted to hospital within four days and was dead within a further five days. He was 73 and had no known major health problems.
The week before last, another colleague's daughter was feeling poorly and tested positive. She's 8 years old. Her best friend in school was also ill and had tested positive a few days before she got her positive test result (she had to be tested twice as the first came back inconclusive). This particular colleague has been a part of a voluntary NHS testing programme during the last couple of months and has been paid a few quid to have the whole family tested weekly. He tested positive at the same time as his daughter, as did his wife. I've been away from work this week, but the latest I'd heard from him during the previous week was that the little girl was still unwell but recovering, he was feeling fatigued but was otherwise OK (he's one of the fittest people I know) and his wife was in bed feeling very ropey.
To me, the most interesting / scary thing (delete as applicable) about this virus is the range of symptoms people are experiencing. I'm sceptical about some of the measures that have been put in place by the various governments to combat it and I don't believe we can carry on living like this for much longer, but there's no doubt whatsoever that it's a very difficult situation to deal with, especially given the seemingly random nature of the effects it has on different individuals.
It will be interesting to see how the Liverpool mass testing pans out. At the moment there seems to be a few people who are perfectly fit & well yet if tested would be positive. When my missus was applying for the test she put down that her sense of taste was gone, it hadn’t but she didn’t want to be refused a test as well she wanted reassurance as people ‘indirectly’ close to her (if that makes sense) had tested positive. Whether she would have been refused a test we don’t know. It’s worrying that ‘positive’ fit people could be unknowingly passing the virus on. But would the country grind to a halt after a mass testing programme meant that thousands of fit folk had to isolate through testing positive? It’d be a test of mental health isolating for a fortnight without so much as a cough or a sneeze. What a dilemma?
A lot of positive tests does mean a lot of infectious people who have now been identified and should now be self isolating and not putting vulnerable people at risk.
Apologies if my comment seemed a bit odd. Using the daily positive test total as a scare may have been the wrong way of expressing some scepticism of how the numbers are delivered. The graphs and projections by whitty and valance seemed to me to be political numbering to attempt to justify rather than factual. The more concise and common sense figures from the NHS bloke tonight gave a better understanding.
I hope Mr and Mrs Elwood keep safe. As someone myself who has personal reasons to be wary and as a person with a responsibility for a vulnerable adult I am not stupid when it comes to following guidelines and acting sensibly.
There are so many inconsistencies and contradictions that it's no wonder that people ignore what's recommended and there's never going to be any rules put in place that some elements in society will follow. They go by their own rules whatever anyone says.
It is not the amount of cases that scare the people Michael.
It is the amount of deaths
A lot of deaths means a lot of very very unwell people!!!!
Not sure what point you are trying to make here.
It is known that there are many asymptomatic cases so a lot of those testing positive will not be unwell.
Bu they are the silent killers. People catch it off them and die.
We need to be scared to be honest. To make sure we all stick to the rules and avoid passing it on.
If me or my wife get it there is a damn good chance we will die.
We're nearly a year into this thing, and people are still saying 'oh they're just trying to scare people'.
All of these governments have simultaneously decided to wreck their economies to scare people? Really?! How can some actually think that is what is happening!
Your right.We're nearly a year into this thing, and people are still saying 'oh they're just trying to scare people'.
All of these governments have simultaneously decided to wreck their economies to scare people? Really?! How can some actually think that is what is happening!
There are a significant amount of people saying this crap.
We all have differing personal views and health conditions/age, but to suggest we all need to be scared is subjective. Over the past 9 months doctors, Government, media, have all spent hour upon hour every single day trying to scare the population in general. The problem is the overwhelming majority haven't caught it, haven't heard of anyone they know - or remotely know of - getting it, and based on the stats - even those 'tweaked' by the two old gits - don't think they're going to get it. Worry away if you like, I'm not..
Well, I only know about 5 people who had it, 89 year old obese Aunty caught it and pneumonia in a care home in April, she’s also diabetic and she survived. A mates mother, in her 70’s with COPD caught it on a hospital visit, mate thought she was a goner but she pulled through. Also know a guy mid 40’s who caught it and was rough for a few months but not ever really ill initially. It’s a strange one and maybe that’s what scary
I'm perfectly fit and well. I would probably recover with few issues. Shall I tell you what scares me? Me being infectious and not being symptomatic, and passing on a virus to someone who would not do so well if they catch the virus.
If you are responsible for a vulnerable person then I’d imagine you do consider it. My mother turned 88 last week, too risky to do much as ever despite the fact she desperately wanted to see her grand children. We did, but at a distance the whole time. I’m very conscious
Of the fact I could wipe out my own mother....
Sad isn't it? If I am shopping for food I see lots of old folk around. I am conscious that I could pass the virus on. As mentioned earlier, people wear masks to protect themselves. Masks don't protect much. But, they stop onward transmission if worn properly. That means covering the mouth and nose at all times, not taking them off to chat to the girl behind the till.
The problem I see is that people put on a mask and assume invincibility and act carelessly and selfishly. The people most likely to do this are the thickos who think it is just an exercise to scare people.
I think it’s the method they use to claim death numbers that people find dubious more than positive tests. The mass testing of a city like Liverpool will be interesting. Maybe they should do a small town like Merthyr too just to see how much it’s around really.
PreciselyWe're nearly a year into this thing, and people are still saying 'oh they're just trying to scare people'.
All of these governments have simultaneously decided to wreck their economies to scare people? Really?! How can some actually think that is what is happening!
Some people do worry for their own health and not just themselves about the health of others. I worried when my elderly mother in law in a care home caught it. She actually had the diagnosis 2 weeks ago and had no symptoms at all throughout. I worry about my parents in their 70s getting it, friends relatives with underlying health conditions.
Yes its subjective. A lot of people worry though and not just about themselves.
This virus seems very unpredictable. Ive also heard stories locally of incidents as above.
I also know far more people now who have had it.
The strange one is its going through my mother in laws care home and the last id heard none of the elderly have become very ill and she was symptom free. I know a carer needed hospital treatment but shes recovered.
Yes. I wonder what happens if say the number of positives double,treble or quadruple.
Track and trace isnt working now.
Its got to be the way forward though.
I agree. However, test and trace relies on people following the quarantine rules and there seem to be very many people who don't. An earlier survey indicated that 80% are refusing to comply. If true that's very worrying.
Be amazed at that, most people I know have done it properly
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/effective...on-and-support
Extract: "Of those who reported having been alerted by the NHS contact tracing that they had been in close contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case 10.9% reported staying at home or quarantining for the following 14 days."
I had an alert on the app the other day, when I hadn't been anywhere and I'm the only person in the house with the app installed.
There was a later notification saying I didn't need to do anything.
Before the [Wales] lockdown the wife & I walked into town and had a coffee outside a cafe in an arcade. We wore masks, they wore masks, we were 3m at least away from anyone else who either worked there or went there. Absolutely no way we could have been infected at that place, yet if someone who went there within 14 days either side of when we went, gets symptoms, [almost certainly contracted from somewhere else], we will get a phone call instructing us both to stay indoors for 2 weeks and get people to drop of food etc.
Yeah, right.
It's good that you wore them, but masks aren't a shield of invincibility. You can still touch surfaces with the virus on it.
(Not that I'm defending the app alerts)
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