Remind us who cut tube services... I'm sure you can think of the name and the party they belong to if you try.Originally Posted by Hilts
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Remind us who cut tube services... I'm sure you can think of the name and the party they belong to if you try.
You could argue that both ways. They were cut to protect workers, they are still rammed because the government have said non essential workers can still work if they can't work from home.
Cut because Khan knew most tube drivers would miraculously self-isolate. Kinda like striking when big football games are on.
Your point still doesn't make sense, social distancing even if non essential workers were banned from tube travel would be far more effective with more carriages due to far more space.
Quite a lot of people I imagine. Remember Boris and his pals will be totally protected from the ravages of the virus and, even if they get things horribly wrong, bar an Apocalyptic ending, they will still be protected by their wealth.
I will be interested to see what comes out officially about the self-employed today. I don't think the furloughed worker scheme stands up to scrutiny and the business loans scheme is a complete shambles with businesses being told that after the first year they will be paying 12% interest a year (despite the loans being effectively 80% guaranteed by the government).
I know it is not in fashion to criticise the government (or especially Rishi) now but this ideological attachment to trickle down economics and trusting business with the family silver is clearly counter-productive in a situation like this. Businesses and Banks have one eye on the coming recession and will do everything they can to use any leeway they are given by the government to feather their own nest. If the idea was that we help individuals then this is a disaster waiting to happen.
Regarding the furloughed workers scheme.
Unless I have read this wrong, if somebody was layed off last year we pay them universal credit (i.e. pittence). If they are at risk of being layed off this year we pay them up to 2,500 a month.
The mental gymnastics that some people must be going through to simultaneously justify a benefits system that gives people even less money than it does dignity, whilst at the same time themselves claiming 80% of their healthy salary from the taxpayer whilst sitting on their arses must be giving them nosebleeds.
I could read these posts all day
Brilliant post Eric 👍
The excel centre in London being turned into a hospital is pretty worrying.
Enough room for 4k beds, and 2 morgues. They must be expecting the shit to hit the fan soon.
Scary stuff. Hope they never fill it.
Concerning that Wales now has more COVID 19 deaths than Scotland when you think of their relative populations - perhaps this, taken from the Guardian today, partially explains it?
"The proximity of south-east Wales to the English border is believed to be one of the reasons behind a cluster of Covid-19 cases there, the Welsh chief medical officer has said.
Frank Atherton added that there may be more cases in the area because more testing has been done there. He said: “As the epidemic unfolds, there will be areas that will flare up and calm down.”
Atherton was responding to a warning by Dr Sarah Aitken, the director of public health at the Aneurin Bevan University Health Board.
In Gwent, we are seeing a rapidly rising increase in the number of cases of coronavirus in all our communities and a daily increase in the number of people being admitted to hospital and the number of people dying from the virus.
The pattern we are seeing in Gwent is the same pattern as was seen in Italy, where their healthcare system is now overwhelmed.
There have been 309 cases in the board’s area compared with 628 for the whole of Wales.
Asked about Aitken’s warning at a Welsh government press conference on Thursday morning, Atherton said: “It is closer to England. The hot spot in the UK is around London and so being on the border with England is an issue. The second reason is there has been a lot more testing in that health board. The fact that we have been doing more testing has led to an increase in the number of cases identified.
The virus is circulating in all parts of Wales. At the moment it may be circulating to a higher degree in south Wales but that may change over time.”
Maybe, maybe not.
Gwent seems to be an outlier for whatever reason.
UK has enough intensive care units for coronavirus, expert predicts
The UK should now be able to cope with the spread of the covid-19 virus, according to one of the epidemiologists advising the government.
Neil Ferguson at Imperial College London gave evidence today to the UK’s parliamentary select committee on science and technology as part of an inquiry into the nation’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.
He said that expected increases in National Health Service capacity and ongoing restrictions to people’s movements make him “reasonably confident” the health service can cope when the predicted peak of the epidemic arrives in two or three weeks. UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower.
https://www.newscientist.com/article...pert-predicts/
Check the guys twitter page. He states that his recommendation has been misinterpreted and is still on coarse for up to 500k. Britain isn't doing a hard lockdown.
Tom Pike from Imperial College has a figure of 5,700, which is similar to what Dr Fauci is mentioning as the difference between SARS and pandemic flu.
Yeah as said earlier they’ve changed some huge buildings into make shift hospitals, my mate is in the army reserves and has been called in for next week to help with the hospitals.
Hope it is under 20k deaths, that still seems quite a lot.
5,700 quoted here. Furthermore, Dr Anthony Fauci is speculating the death rate could be 0.1% - the same as pandemic flu.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
Here is the latest research on deaths from #coronavirus both in the UK and elsewhere. This is by statisticians including @TomPike00075908 of @imperialcollege who I have spoken to. The key figures are circled. UK deaths estimated to TOTAL 5,700. Peak day will be April 5th with 260 pic.twitter.com/4OwzLLSOkM
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) March 26, 2020
Pretty sloppy tbh to publish that data with a couple of typos in it. Germany typo acknowledged. Either the Netherlands peak data is also a typo or is already shown to be way out. Underlying modelling might be sound but hard for people to feel confident in these models with basic errors.
I've not seen the acknowledgement of the German error (presumably it was 9 April, not 9 March?), but it's hard to work out what they mean with that Netherlands figure. Nevertheless, despite the high numbers involved, those figures are quite a bit better than I was expecting them to be and you'd like to think these are people who don't tend to get such things spectacularly wrong.
What makes you think our situation is better?
The Germany error is acknowledged further down in the tweet. Perhaps the Netherlands data is also a typo on the date. Yes, I’d of course defer to their knowledge it’s just unfortunate it wasn’t more carefully presented.
If thenumbers for Spain & Italy are correct and our number is correct that must mean the social distancing is having a good effect.
Also have to be careful that it's produced by a statistician not an expert on the virus, but if the trends are correct it is really good news.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ar-as-we-think
That's quite a good article, it does talk about how the virus might appear worse than it is.
The only thing it doesn't talk about it the health service becomming over whelmed which I thought was the main concern.
According to Dr Birx at a White House press conference, "In no country to date have we seen an attack rate over One in a Thousand..."
"...The predictions of the models don't match the reality on the ground in either China, South Korea or Italy."
Italy has a population of just over 60 million and an "attack rate" of just over 80 thousand. I hope her medical skills are better than her maths.
What is an attack rate?
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