I don't disagree.Originally Posted by rudy gestede
UK government Covid-19 status remains the same today as when I posted this link https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...us-of-covid-19 two days back.
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I don't disagree.
UK government Covid-19 status remains the same today as when I posted this link https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...us-of-covid-19 two days back.
It doesn't sound like you think he is wrong though. It sounds like you think the health of the economy is more important than X number of people's lives (which has no doubt played a part in our slow reaction in the UK). The problem with your way of thinking is that everybody who supports it appears to be calculating X by sticking their fingers in their ears and looking at the overall death rate without factoring in the massive impact that an overwhelmed health service adds.
What is your tipping point? If we knew exactly how many lives we would save by locking down when would you decide that was worth it? 1 million? 10 million?
I can’t believe people think a Tory government would allow such a shit show to happen to the economy unless it was necessary.
Do you know what high consequence means? It means the disease itself has to have a mortality rate of over a certain percent.
As said a 1000 times it isn’t the direct mortality rate with this that’s the issue. If you can’t see that after all this time I don’t know when you will.
By posting that link you aren’t being clever you’re ignoring the point of the whole thing.
As well when people keep saying the death rate is only 0.1%, even though that’s not right let’s entertain it.
If we say it’s not really that contagious and we go about our normal life and only 25% (it’s a lot more contagious than that) of the U.K. gets it (~15 million).
We would still end up with 15,000 people dying. And that’s significantly underestimating how contagious and fatal it is.
**** sake
We all know he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer but he's excelled himself (and amazed the rest of us) this time! F**kn cretin!**** sake
I was thinking ok, he's signing a document surrounded by lots of people with no social distancing, odd at the current time but not very funny.
Then the pens get handed out.
Happens to the best of us
And who the hell is interested in the fact he's lucky enough to have loads of money? What's that got to do with having your lungs ripped apart and drowning in blood and phlegm?
I was reading recently about how we process information and make decisions. In essence, we often jump to uninformed, instinctive initial opinions and beliefs about something and then set about filtering-out and dismissing any information that contradicts this belief whilst gathering anything that appears to support it.
We don’t actually use reasoning a lot of the time we just invent arguments to support out intuitive beliefs. It’s due to the way our brains have evolved into areas that manage automatic and controlled thought processes, which are sometimes in conflict.
So it’s really just the way we are and we often don’t realise we’re doing it but it can be observed. It’s probably why you very rarely see people acknowledging they’ve shifted their views in these discussions and why we get so frustrated with others who just can’t see our own point of view. This isn’t just some people, we all have this tendency. So basically we’re wasting our time here
That's how religion exists. Indoctrinate someone at an early age and they can happily dismiss science where it is convenient and put their beliefs in deities for which there is no evidence and which came about when mankind didn't know about evolution, microbes, electricity, atoms and a million other things. They see no dichotomy between having advanced medical treatment and praying to their god to allow them to survive. The same god let it happen to them in the first place. I remember seeing a little old lady on TV who survived an earthquake and she said that she thanked 'God' for her survival. Sadly and ironically, many other people (most of them far younger) perished who her god deigned not to spare.I was reading recently about how we process information and make decisions. In essence, we often jump to uninformed, instinctive initial opinions and beliefs about something and then set about filtering-out and dismissing any information that contradicts this belief whilst gathering anything that appears to support it.
We don’t actually use reasoning a lot of the time we just invent arguments to support out intuitive beliefs. It’s due to the way our brains have evolved into areas that manage automatic and controlled thought processes, which are sometimes in conflict.
So it’s really just the way we are and we often don’t realise we’re doing it but it can be observed. It’s probably why you very rarely see people acknowledging they’ve shifted their views in these discussions and why we get so frustrated with others who just can’t see our own point of view. This isn’t just some people, we all have this tendency. So basically we’re wasting our time here
No god seems to have made an appearance during the Holocaust or during devastating events such as the Bubonic Plague or to put a stop to wars that have killed millions of people. In the case of the Abrahamist god perhaps he is waiting for a leper to come along.
I don't want a ramble about religion (Honest) but when horrific things happen like the awful things you have mentioned, then some people who are religious accept it as gods will, it was a test to see how committed they are and how humanity bounces back. If some people survive who have gone through the experience then it is to make them stronger and to work even harder for it not to happen again ( I know!) basically, everything for a reason, God is on a winner with some people, he places his bet and whatever the outcome he wins (with some) It has to be said though, most people who believe in god don't have this mindset. If a person is very poor with zero education and living in appalling conditions, then god is all they've got, thankfully, most of us don't live like that. I suppose that's why we don't see the people of Bewdley after their annual flooding building shrines outside the local Co-op.
One day Taunton Blue Genie you may come to realise that the things you write about are not of God's making but of man's. The Holocaust, plague, caronavirus....and to cap it, now that China is getting over it ,the very live animal markets that started the pandemic are up and running again.
God help us, because we can't seem to help ourselves
As there is absolutely no evidence of deities existing I had sort of worked that out
As there is absolutely no evidence of deities existing I had sort of worked that out
Well stop blaming the very God you don't believe in for it all then
When I first heard about it I was convinced it was nothing more than flu and it took until everything started happening in Italy before I reconsidered that. So this definitely happenes, and we are definitely all guilty of it.I was reading recently about how we process information and make decisions. In essence, we often jump to uninformed, instinctive initial opinions and beliefs about something and then set about filtering-out and dismissing any information that contradicts this belief whilst gathering anything that appears to support it.
We don’t actually use reasoning a lot of the time we just invent arguments to support out intuitive beliefs. It’s due to the way our brains have evolved into areas that manage automatic and controlled thought processes, which are sometimes in conflict.
So it’s really just the way we are and we often don’t realise we’re doing it but it can be observed. It’s probably why you very rarely see people acknowledging they’ve shifted their views in these discussions and why we get so frustrated with others who just can’t see our own point of view. This isn’t just some people, we all have this tendency. So basically we’re wasting our time here
Out of interest, was that view shaped by the initial claims about the nature of the virus, ie China's insistence it couldn't be spread person to person?
Just from the death rate and the symptoms, it seemed to be killing only old people at a lower rate than normal flu.
I thought the lockdowns were an over reaction and something that could only happen in China.
Couldn't have been more wrong on both counts.
I didn't read anything about it not being able to spread, all I can remember is the mad masks they were making because masks had ran out straight away.
For me, this virus is much like HIV / AIDS to a degree. You don't die from it, but from the weakened immune system that occurs. That's why elderly, those with underlying symptoms are very much being hit by this.
I also personally think that WHO, governments were caught on the hop by this - having been told no person to person infection was possible, WHO advice back in Jan is very much different to that now.
I do love people thinking a Burberry scarf will prevent it...
China should not escape any consequences for their mishandling on this. Sadly they will - should be made a pariah economically and trade wise.
260 dead between 5pm on the 26th and 5pm on the 27th. We are moving at some pace now, no wonder the government are building temporary hospitals across the country.
The issue is if the peak still occurs April or if we're hitting the peak ahead of expectations.
A medical fetish site says it has donated its entire stock of disposable scrubs to an NHS hospital that was “desperate” for supplies.
On Twitter, MedFetUK wrote:
We have been contacted this week by representatives of NHS procurement all over the country, trying to source basic protective equipment and clothing.
When we, a tiny company set up to serve a small section of the kink community, find ourselves being sought out as a last-resort supplier to our National Health Service in a time of crisis, something is seriously wrong. In fact, it’s scandalous.
Today we donated our entire stock of disposable scrubs to an NHS hospital. It was just a few sets, because we don't carry large stocks, but they were desperate, so we sent them free of charge.
We don't usually do politics on Twitter, but ....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ne-nhs-workers
Spain death rises after a lock down by rime minister Pedro Sánchez declared a state of emergency on 14 March, ordering people in the country to stay at home
You reach the peak after 2 weeks of isolation because that’s how long the incubation period is.
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