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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    They're as bad as each other without a doubt.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Isn't the Westminster government being criticised for the same thing?
    What do you propose, joining Ireland?
    I take it you mean Northern Ireland and yes I think Arlene Foster inspires more confidence than Drakeford and Co. Everytime I watch a Welsh Assembly press conference I feel embarrassed for Wales.

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    I take it you mean Northern Ireland and yes I think Arlene Foster inspires more confidence than Drakeford and Co. Everytime I watch a Welsh Assembly press conference I feel embarrassed for Wales.
    Are you being serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandblue View Post
    God help us if Wales ever becomes totally devolved from the UK with people like this in charge. Think I'd have more confidence in the Marx Brothers if they were still around.
    Do you have confidence in the UK government? I don't. Not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    NH Wales woman being interviewed by a committee today denied any knowledge of a 5000 tests a day promise saying it was not something she recognised. Nor did she acjnowledge Drakeford saying they intended to increas that to 9000 by mid april.
    Also the Director of NH Wales today said he thinks that to begin easing the lockdown and be in a position to control any upsurge we need to be conducting 10,000 test a day. In the last 24 hours, so I heard on the news, there were less than 1,000 carried out, but I cannot find written ref to it.

    They can't even seem to agree on their own story let alone do what they should. At this rate what are out chances of ever getting out of lockdown?
    Chief Exec of @PublicHealthW confirms to me on @seneddhealth Committee that they & @WelshGovernment had an understanding from Roche pharmaceuticals to deliver 5000 tests a day in Wales, but that UK Govt & agencies stepped in to take those tests & subsume into general UK testing. - https://twitter.com/RhunapIorwerth/s...25694842572802
    Testing does need to increase as part of a wider strategy.

    Wider strategy despair when looking at following too: "Almost 80% of respirators in the national pandemic stockpile were out of date when coronavirus hit the UK." https://www.channel4.com/news/reveal...navirus-hit-uk

    Responding to the Channel 4 News investigation, a government spokesperson said: “The UK is one of the most prepared countries in the world"...."follow the science" etc. Slogans, slogans, slogans and a real lack of people stepping up. This is not "apparent success" by any stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Testing does need to increase as part of a wider strategy.

    Wider strategy despair when looking at following too: "Almost 80% of respirators in the national pandemic stockpile were out of date when coronavirus hit the UK." https://www.channel4.com/news/reveal...navirus-hit-uk

    Responding to the Channel 4 News investigation, a government spokesperson said: “The UK is one of the most prepared countries in the world"...."follow the science" etc. Slogans, slogans, slogans and a real lack of people stepping up. This is not "apparent success" by any stretch.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say her surge. The discussion about the Roche deal had been done to daeth and it was weeks ago. also there was never any contract. when aked ot produce a contract the Welsh government couldn't but said it was an understandfing. roche have always denied a binding agreement. But that said, it does not justify the cock up regarding the 5000, then 9000 test promise that was then dropped and which the head of Public health Wales has no denied having any knowledge of. She said she knows nothing about it. Either she is lying or she is totally incompetent and was unaware of that promise made by the leader of the Welsh government on national TV. She has no reason to lie so she must be totally incompetent, which leaves me asking what the people under her are like. The members of the committe were clearly stunned at her denial and she gave it again and again.

    It is the welsh government who is responsible for taking care of us and they are failing just like those in Westminster are. They still haven't got anywhere near where they need to be and given their track record on hitting their targets so far how can we have any confidence that they will have the testing capacity in place to relax the lockdown? On the stength of the 900 test by the end of April promise we shjuold be doing 10000 a day now not less tha 1000.

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    The Times article reporting that Boris Johnson plans on extending UK lockdown until June: https://twitter.com/hendopolis/statu...03212597903362

    How many times (pardon the pun) does it need to be said that each nation wants to work together but ultimate decision is devolved? We know the estimate of R rating is higher in Wales and Scotland compared to England so either a good level of consideration must be given to prolonging the lockdown til that falls sufficiently (i.e. the country furthest behind has strong say in how long lockdown goes on for) or there may start to have greater distinctions between when it's eased.

    The media are generally bad at reporting on devolution, as are how statements are made in Westminster when not acting as counter-punch to criticism regarding conservative running of NHS, but now it's about health in a global pandemic and Walesonline are not stating Boris talking about England in headline but instead waiting til paragraph 5 or 6.

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    I jut read something that said it was double, that's nowhere near 4 times.
    But what do the expect to be able to do about it?

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    47, doesn't say if he had underlying health issues.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52584834

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    Senedd sets out how Wales has done things differently: https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...432832/photo/1

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    New York death rate could have been as much as 80% lower had they introduced social distancing two weeks earlier.

    I wonder if we'll see a similar analysis of data for the UK.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...-weeks-earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    New York death rate could have been as much as 80% lower had they introduced social distancing two weeks earlier.

    I wonder if we'll see a similar analysis of data for the UK.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...-weeks-earlier
    Definitely. A big one was letting 45000 Brits fly off to Europe ski ing the Friday just before the lockdown here I think it was, most of the slopes were then shut the following day so all of them had to find a flight back, chaos everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    There is a discrepancy of nearly 50,000 in their figures, the second time at least they have made this basic error in an article. It doesn't exactly give you confidence in the rest of the information does it?

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    No real changes in the lockdown then for wales.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    No real changes in the lockdown then for wales.....
    An increase to two exercise sessions allowed a day from Monday;-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52584690

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    An increase to two exercise sessions allowed a day from Monday
    I wonder how many people in Wales have restricted themselves to one outdoors exercise session per day because of the guidelines but will now increase to two? I can’t imagine it’ll be many. I reckon pretty much everyone who has wanted to exercise outside twice a day has already been doing just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    An increase to two exercise sessions allowed a day from Monday;-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52584690
    Mark Drakeford said the "R number" - the number of other people infected by one person - currently sits at around 0.8 in Wales.
    Welsh Government estimates suggest that, at that level, 800 people may die with coronavirus between now and 7 August.
    How much easing of the lockdown can you/should you be doing if you're basically saying that, if nothing gets worse, the recorded death rate will go from 1,090 to 1,890 in three months?

    Recorded numbers of virus seem to be hitting north much harder today than in previous daily totals: https://twitter.com/LloydCymru/statu...169410/photo/2
    Yesterday, only the Rhondda Cynon Taf area was the only one to record new cases above 10 (with Flintshire and Wrexham both showing 5 new cases) but today Fiintshire shows increase of 20, Wrexham 33, Gwynedd 14 and Ynys Mon an extra 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    There is a discrepancy of nearly 50,000 in their figures, the second time at least they have made this basic error in an article. It doesn't exactly give you confidence in the rest of the information does it?
    Isn't it copied from the Official Gov.UK site though?

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#cat...tions&map=rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Isn't it copied from the Official Gov.UK site though?

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#cat...tions&map=rate
    So a paper that continually knocks the government (often quite righlty) takes a set of numbers from that same govenment and prints them in a national daily without someone doing the simple sum of adding them up or taking them away?

    Aboslutely stunning journalism!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    So a paper that continually knocks the government (often quite righlty) takes a set of numbers from that same govenment and prints them in a national daily without someone doing the simple sum of adding them up or taking them away?

    Aboslutely stunning journalism!!!!!
    What? You are blaming the Guardian for reprinting the UK government's official statistics from Public Health Englands dashboard. The About Data part of the GOV.UK website explains the discrepancy

    COVID-19 cases are identified by taking specimens from people and sending these specimens to laboratories around the UK to be tested. If the test is positive, this is a referred to as a lab-confirmed case.

    There are separate reporting processes for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Each Nation provides data based on tests carried out in NHS (and PHE) laboratories. These represent 'pillar 1' of the Government's mass testing programme. The Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) combines the counts from the 4 Nations, and adds data from tests carried out by commercial partners ('pillar 2' of the mass-testing programme) to give daily and total (cumulative) counts of lab-confirmed cases. These are submitted to Public Health England (PHE) to display on the dashboard. The 4 figures are not all taken from the same cut-off time: England and Scotland counts are as at 9am on the day of publication; Wales counts are as at 7am on the day of publication; Northern Ireland counts are from different times on the morning of publication.

    The headline UK case count is published by DHSC each day via Twitter and on the DHSC website.

    The UK total is not the sum of the 4 National totals as the pillar 2 cases cannot currently be included in the National totals. All other data on this website are based only on cases detected through pillar 1. Information about the different pillars is available on GOV.UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    But by printing the clearly ambiguous figures together without any clarification obviously leads one to question their validity.
    Your apparent indignation that I should questtion the Government's offical statistics is very amusing given what we read on here every day.
    Is this a wind up?

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    Just been watchging the news. God Mark drakeford is dreadful on TV. He has no personality and no apparent statemanship. Instill confidence he certainly does not............... but hey, Yipee..... the library is open again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Just been watchging the news. God Mark drakeford is dreadful on TV. He has no personality and no apparent statemanship. Instill confidence he certainly does not............... but hey, Yipee..... the library is open again.
    Lets see what your boy opens on Sunday. My guess Garden Centres and libraries.
    😂😂😂

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