+ Visit Cardiff FC for Latest News, Transfer Gossip, Fixtures and Match Results
Page 6 of 9 FirstFirst 123456789 LastLast
Results 151 to 180 of 252

Thread: Police State....

  1. #151

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    yes I do....history shows that once powers are enacted they are rarely rescinded.
    You know that this situation is unprecedented in our lifetimes, right?

  2. #152

    Re: Police State....

    Duplicate post.

  3. #153

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    yes I do....history shows that once powers are enacted they are rarely rescinded.

    @tellitlikeitis....uninstalling the app makes no difference to being able to track your movements via mobile phone....even if switched OFF!!
    So since they can do that anyway... why would they need an app?

    I really do hope this virus pandemic hasn't affected the delivery of your meds.

  4. #154

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by tell it like it is View Post
    So since they can do that anyway... why would they need an app?

    I really do hope this virus pandemic hasn't affected the delivery of your meds.

    Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...I take no medication...the app shows WHO one has been in contact with.....the TRACKING (regardless of app) shows WHERE you are...and WHERE you have been....

  5. #155

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It amazes me how the 'conspiracists' amongst us seem so heavily reliant on Technology, The internet seems to be their bible where they queue up in order to tell everyone that the state is spying on us all and using our detail in order to constrict our daily lifestyle choices. It's a bit like a pheasant holding up a card saying 'shoot me' during the hunting season. If they really believed that the people who are attempting to restrict them are doing so behind closed doors, then wouldn't they also be conspiring against this perceived enemy behind closed doors?
    Because someone questions the veracity of what the State tells us it doesn't mean they're conspiracists - I, and others, just don't swallow every morsel of what we're told and accept it without question. Messageboards have been rife with the indignant amongst us ranting at people going out for quiet walks. Today I was Llandaff Fields. Apart from the fact that I saw 3 pairs of coppers on foot which is a rarity itself, they stopped an elderly couple parking their car so they could have a walk and told them to leave. This couple probably lived in a cramped house or flat with no garden. Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ? Because the Government told us it was..

  6. #156

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Because someone questions the veracity of what the State tells us it doesn't mean they're conspiracists - I, and others, just don't swallow every morsel of what we're told and accept it without question. Messageboards have been rife with the indignant amongst us ranting at people going out for quiet walks. Today I was Llandaff Fields. Apart from the fact that I saw 3 pairs of coppers on foot which is a rarity itself, they stopped an elderly couple parking their car so they could have a walk and told them to leave. This couple probably lived in a cramped house or flat with no garden. Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ? Because the Government told us it was..
    "Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ?"

    At this rate, we'll be well into April before the penny drops with Monkfish (if it ever does).

  7. #157

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Because someone questions the veracity of what the State tells us it doesn't mean they're conspiracists - I, and others, just don't swallow every morsel of what we're told and accept it without question. Messageboards have been rife with the indignant amongst us ranting at people going out for quiet walks. Today I was Llandaff Fields. Apart from the fact that I saw 3 pairs of coppers on foot which is a rarity itself, they stopped an elderly couple parking their car so they could have a walk and told them to leave. This couple probably lived in a cramped house or flat with no garden. Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ? Because the Government told us it was..
    Absolutely......no discretion or common sense...

  8. #158

    Re: Police State....

    Never been a reader of fan of the Guardian....but many of the articles there make sense to me at the moment...

  9. #159

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...I take no medication...the app shows WHO one has been in contact with.....the TRACKING (regardless of app) shows WHERE you are...and WHERE you have been....
    You do know phone records with the companies show who you have been in contact with? Anytime a phone is used the location can be triangulated anyway....

    You seem unable to grasp your tinfoil hat claims are ridiculous... easily laughed at. You also seem to think that no nation should ever use intelligence for positive aims such as security.

  10. #160

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Because someone questions the veracity of what the State tells us it doesn't mean they're conspiracists - I, and others, just don't swallow every morsel of what we're told and accept it without question. Messageboards have been rife with the indignant amongst us ranting at people going out for quiet walks. Today I was Llandaff Fields. Apart from the fact that I saw 3 pairs of coppers on foot which is a rarity itself, they stopped an elderly couple parking their car so they could have a walk and told them to leave. This couple probably lived in a cramped house or flat with no garden. Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ? Because the Government told us it was..
    Depends where they had travelled from. If they had travelled from say Bridgend or Swansea then police view is correct - exercise is one thing, long distance travel risks spreading the virus further. It's common sense.

  11. #161

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Today I was Llandaff Fields. Apart from the fact that I saw 3 pairs of coppers on foot which is a rarity itself, they stopped an elderly couple parking their car so they could have a walk and told them to leave.
    Do you think everyone should be allowed to drive to Llandaff Fields, park up and go for a stroll? Or should that privilege be reserved for daft old twats who can't follow basic instructions and who believe that for some reason the rules don't apply to them?

  12. #162

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    Absolutely......no discretion or common sense...
    The virus also has no discretion. If one of those elderly catches it, they will almost certainly need hospital attention. That is now very hard to get, so they are far more likely to die. If that happens, the hospital will not let anyone visit them so they will die alone without their family ever having the chance to say goodbye. No doubt some would criticise the hospital for lacking common sense and discretion too, but that is what would happen.

    That vs a police officer telling them to go home. I think it's justifiable.

  13. #163

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    You're welcome to seek my advice too. I know you will value it.


    Don't let them get to you , at least you don't get [too personal ) like some when others fail to agree with you , I do enjoy your posts though , not always on your wave length to be fair though they are well researched form the dark web , love your sludge reports , stay safe Organ

  14. #164

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Because someone questions the veracity of what the State tells us it doesn't mean they're conspiracists - I, and others, just don't swallow every morsel of what we're told and accept it without question. Messageboards have been rife with the indignant amongst us ranting at people going out for quiet walks. Today I was Llandaff Fields. Apart from the fact that I saw 3 pairs of coppers on foot which is a rarity itself, they stopped an elderly couple parking their car so they could have a walk and told them to leave. This couple probably lived in a cramped house or flat with no garden. Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ? Because the Government told us it was..
    You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.

  15. #165

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Do you think everyone should be allowed to drive to Llandaff Fields, park up and go for a stroll? Or should that privilege be reserved for daft old twats who can't follow basic instructions and who believe that for some reason the rules don't apply to them?
    I would taser them on the spot , only if they get out of the car though .

  16. #166

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.
    Well said.

  17. #167

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I would taser them on the spot , only if they get out of the car though .
    Bet they'd take shortcuts too. Coronavirus too good for them...

  18. #168

    Re: Police State....

    But THAT is the point ! In a free society the state should NOT be able to track where you are or have been.....a slippery slope...and yes...nations SHOULD NOT track locations.... what next ? TV's that can watch and listen to what you are doing\ oh sorry that already exists......maybe the next step is for them to broadcast messages al la George Orwell 1984....

  19. #169

    Re: Police State....

    I actually do think this could end up being the thin end of the wedge for more surveillance power or fewer civil libertie, but at the moment it's for our own good.I don't think there's any issue in questioning if it's good in the long run.

  20. #170

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    But THAT is the point ! In a free society the state should NOT be able to track where you are or have been.....a slippery slope...and yes...nations SHOULD NOT track locations.... what next ? TV's that can watch and listen to what you are doing\ oh sorry that already exists......maybe the next step is for them to broadcast messages al la George Orwell 1984....
    You could just leave your phone at home though, there's no requirement to have it on you.

    The TVs in 1984 were the law, no one is making you carry a phone.

    I actually agree with you we need to be careful with the removal of civil liberties but I think you do need to be slightly less paranoid.

    Also if anyone is worried about stuff like this I would be surprised if they voted for a tory government that had brought up the snoopers charter.

  21. #171

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    "Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ?"

    At this rate, we'll be well into April before the penny drops with Monkfish (if it ever does).
    Imperial college saying that Social Distancing and other measures have saved at least 21000 lives so far, possibly many more.

    But, what do they know? Monkfish is clever, he doesn't believe anything until he sees hard physical evidence. The penny has dropped for him, he's waiting for billions of people worldwide to catch up with him.

  22. #172

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.
    My folks are on Day 16 of lockdown. The free thinkin' Monkfish and others like him will ensure they stay locked in even longer. Selfish fools.

  23. #173

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    ....and yes...nations SHOULD NOT track locations....
    What does this actually mean?

  24. #174

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    What does this actually mean?
    what do you mean???

    @croesyblue...absolutely....

  25. #175

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    what do you mean???
    You said, and I quote: "nations SHOULD NOT track locations."

    What does that mean?

  26. #176

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.
    I've no idea where they drove from, but for those who have parks and open spaces in their vicinity it's less likely they'll pass/receive an infection onto someone else in a wide open space than stepping to one side on a narrow pavement. Anyway, my point is that whilst I know my views are in the small minority on here, I will always question Authority - wherever it comes from.

  27. #177

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I've no idea where they drove from, but for those who have parks and open spaces in their vicinity it's less likely they'll pass/receive an infection onto someone else in a wide open space than stepping to one side on a narrow pavement. Anyway, my point is that whilst I know my views are in the small minority on here, I will always question Authority - wherever it comes from.
    I'm with you we should always be questioning authority but social disctance is being proven to save lives at the moment.

  28. #178

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    What does this actually mean?
    It means he thinks no terrorists should ever be tracked because they have rights too, dammit.

  29. #179

    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I've no idea where they drove from, but for those who have parks and open spaces in their vicinity it's less likely they'll pass/receive an infection onto someone else in a wide open space than stepping to one side on a narrow pavement. Anyway, my point is that whilst I know my views are in the small minority on here, I will always question Authority - wherever it comes from.
    Less likely, maybe. But, what happens if one of them touches a surface that someone else has infected? People are infectious while showing no symptoms. They are elderly, at risk, and getting pneumonia could mean (best case scenario) 24 hours of care for 10-14 days. It could also mean that they have infected other people before getting sick themselves. It could also mean that a doctor or nurse gets sick after treating them, meaning even more strain on the hospital that is now caring for them 24 hours a day.

    Worst case scenario, they die gasping for air, alone, in pain, confused, scared because the doctor decided to give the last remaining ventilator to a 18 year old woman who contracted the disease on her one visit out a week to a supermarket to get food for her parents and who has a better chance of survival.

    Surely you can see the possible chains of events that their need for a drive and a walk could set off? Which part of it don't you get?

  30. #180

    Re: Police State....

    Are Easter eggs essential items?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52090441

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •