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    Police State....

    I really despair...bloody hell...drones in the air ordering people to go home...even if they are legitimately exercising with their dog, or queuing at the chemist.....what REALLY take the biscuit is the fine for chalking social distancing lines on the pavement..... what in heavens name is the country descending into???? 1984 somewhat late....

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    Driving into national parks to walk dogs is valid, eh?

    You know, potentially spreading cv from one region to another...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    I really despair...bloody hell...drones in the air ordering people to go home...even if they are legitimately exercising with their dog, or queuing at the chemist.....what REALLY take the biscuit is the fine for chalking social distancing lines on the pavement..... what in heavens name is the country descending into???? 1984 somewhat late....

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    Embrace the New Order, mate [or else!]. We can hold hands in the queue for bread and soup - that our generous government will provide free of charge - while we sing patriotic songs. Socialists will rejoice at the greater equality. Okay, we'll be equally skint but it still counts.

    Nanny will also ensure we can be tracked at all times to enhance our safety and security - because it cares for our welfare so much.

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    Orwell bless him ,certainly believed in policing lol

    ""Orwell*self-identified*as a democratic socialist, but his sympathy didnít extend to communists. In 1949, he compiled a*list*of artists he suspected of having communist leanings and passed it along to his friend, Celia Paget, who worked for the UKís Information Research Department. After the war ended, the branch was tasked with distributing anti-communist propaganda throughout Europe. Orwell's list included Charlie Chaplin and a few dozen other actors, writers, academics, and politicians.*""

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    In west Wales, police turning back camper vans from whence they came - if that's Orwellian, tough, bring it on! Hopefully the message will get through and deter others from trying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    I really despair...bloody hell...drones in the air ordering people to go home...even if they are legitimately exercising with their dog, or queuing at the chemist.....what REALLY take the biscuit is the fine for chalking social distancing lines on the pavement..... what in heavens name is the country descending into???? 1984 somewhat late....

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    Where were those drones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Where were those drones?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-52055201

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    Quote Originally Posted by tell it like it is View Post
    The OP is suggesting he has seen these drones?

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    Re: Police State....

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Embrace the New Order, mate [or else!]. We can hold hands in the queue for bread and soup - that our generous government will provide free of charge - while we sing patriotic songs. Socialists will rejoice at the greater equality. Okay, we'll be equally skint but it still counts.

    Nanny will also ensure we can be tracked at all times to enhance our safety and security - because it cares for our welfare so much.
    Better not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    The OP is suggesting he has seen these drones?
    No don't think so, I'm assuming he read the article as I did earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    The OP is suggesting he has seen these drones?
    He hasn't suggested that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    I really despair...bloody hell...drones in the air ordering people to go home...even if they are legitimately exercising with their dog, or queuing at the chemist.....what REALLY take the biscuit is the fine for chalking social distancing lines on the pavement..... what in heavens name is the country descending into???? 1984 somewhat late....

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    These times have set a precedent. It will be so much easier for future Governments to 'act in the National Interest' from now on..

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    Sometimes the board is like conspiracy theorist central.

    In the US we have no lockdown and the virus is spreading like an unchecked wildfire. A tsunami of deaths are about to hit us.

    I'm prepared to curtail my personal liberty for a few months to save lives, new world order/secret cabal of evil billionaires or no.

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    Some amount of unhinged morons on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az city View Post
    Sometimes the board is like conspiracy theorist central.

    In the US we have no lockdown and the virus is spreading like an unchecked wildfire. A tsunami of deaths are about to hit us.

    I'm prepared to curtail my personal liberty for a few months to save lives, new world order/secret cabal of evil billionaires or no.
    What a sensible post, same here mate I'm out of circulation till this shitstorm is over.

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    It's a vicious circle. Too many people don't take it seriously, so actions have to be ramped up to make more comply, which makes them even more suspicious.

    There's more than enough on this board, let alone this thread, who are convinced they know best. They are the reason it's had to get to this stage, because they refuse to listen and refuse to do what is clearly very sensible.

    If we all act as if we have the virus for a short while it will be better in the long run than if we don't. As I said in another thread, Singapore introduced tough measures early on and now their measures are far lighter than the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Embrace the New Order, mate [or else!]. We can hold hands in the queue for bread and soup - that our generous government will provide free of charge - while we sing patriotic songs. Socialists will rejoice at the greater equality. Okay, we'll be equally skint but it still counts.

    Nanny will also ensure we can be tracked at all times to enhance our safety and security - because it cares for our welfare so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman View Post
    Imagine being him

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Orwell bless him ,certainly believed in policing lol

    ""Orwell*self-identified*as a democratic socialist, but his sympathy didn’t extend to communists. In 1949, he compiled a*list*of artists he suspected of having communist leanings and passed it along to his friend, Celia Paget, who worked for the UK’s Information Research Department. After the war ended, the branch was tasked with distributing anti-communist propaganda throughout Europe. Orwell's list included Charlie Chaplin and a few dozen other actors, writers, academics, and politicians.*""
    Orwell was nearly killed by the communists when fighting in the Spanish Civil War. The leftist political party with whose militia he served (the POUM, the Workers' Party of Marxist Unification, an anti-Stalinist communist party) was declared an illegal organisation by the communists, and Orwell was consequently forced to flee Spain. Orwell did not know that two months before he arrived in Spain, the [Soviet law enforcement agency] NKVD's resident in Spain, Aleksandr Orlov, had assured NKVD Headquarters, 'the Trotskyist organisation POUM can easily be liquidated'—by those Communists, whom Orwell took to be allies in the fight against Franco.

    Thus he became aware of how powerful and vile the Russian Communists were, and had an intense dislike for them for them the rest of his life. I don't blame him at all for dobbing in misguided fools who thought communism was the way forward. Remember that Stalin killed far more of his own people than Hitler ever did in the WW II

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    Orwell would raise a concerned eyebrow at one particular law on the books waiting for the right crisis to come along, it's the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 whose emergency powers would lift the totalitarian heart of dear old Joe Stalin himself from beyond the grave.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/part/2

    22 Scope of emergency regulations

    (b)provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property (with or without compensation);
    (c)provide for or enable the destruction of property, animal life or plant life (with or without compensation);
    (d)prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, movement to or from a specified place;
    (e)require, or enable the requirement of, movement to or from a specified place;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Orwell would raise a concerned eyebrow at one particular law on the books waiting for the right crisis to come along, it's the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 whose emergency powers would lift the totalitarian heart of dear old Joe Stalin himself from beyond the grave.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/part/2

    22 Scope of emergency regulations

    (b)provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property (with or without compensation);
    (c)provide for or enable the destruction of property, animal life or plant life (with or without compensation);
    (d)prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, movement to or from a specified place;
    (e)require, or enable the requirement of, movement to or from a specified place;
    I notice you don't include reasons for doing this in your propaganda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I notice you don't include reasons for doing this in your propaganda
    I linked to the legislation for anyone to peruse.

    I'm concerned that the state can quite legally confiscate property (perhaps without compo or any by your leave) and compel anyone to relocate to wherever it chooses.

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    These measures are necessary because far too many people are too stupid to follow sensible precautions. Unfortunately the many idiotic people out celebrating last weekend have ruined it for the rest of us and I for one am fully behind the restrictions that have been imposed. It's got absolutely nothing about a Police State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    These measures are necessary because far too many people are too stupid to follow sensible precautions. Unfortunately the many idiotic people out celebrating last weekend have ruined it for the rest of us and I for one am fully behind the restrictions that have been imposed. It's got absolutely nothing about a Police State.
    Me to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Imagine being him
    You again with yet another snide remark. Some retaliation is overdue so here's one for you: muggins here doesn't need to go cap-in-hand for a handout from anyone. 'Ave some of that, peasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice Swan View Post
    I really despair...bloody hell...drones in the air ordering people to go home...even if they are legitimately exercising with their dog, or queuing at the chemist.....what REALLY take the biscuit is the fine for chalking social distancing lines on the pavement..... what in heavens name is the country descending into???? 1984 somewhat late....

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    For gods sake get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    These measures are necessary because far too many people are too stupid to follow sensible precautions. Unfortunately the many idiotic people out celebrating last weekend have ruined it for the rest of us and I for one am fully behind the restrictions that have been imposed. It's got absolutely nothing about a Police State.
    Totally agree you Vindec

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Orwell would raise a concerned eyebrow at one particular law on the books waiting for the right crisis to come along, it's the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 whose emergency powers would lift the totalitarian heart of dear old Joe Stalin himself from beyond the grave.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/36/part/2

    22 Scope of emergency regulations

    (b)provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property (with or without compensation);
    (c)provide for or enable the destruction of property, animal life or plant life (with or without compensation);
    (d)prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, movement to or from a specified place;
    (e)require, or enable the requirement of, movement to or from a specified place;
    I wasn't aware of that legislation - which can be activated even if the general population do not believe it is necessary.
    In response to other contributors....
    I have not seen drones, but as intimated I read the news - they were in Gwent and also Derbyshire.I It is NOT illegal to drive to an isolated spot and walk your dog - far safer than 'exercising' with other people. It is also somewhat farcical that chalking distance lines on the pavement when queuing at a chemist is considered a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    You again with yet another snide remark. Some retaliation is overdue so here's one for you: muggins here doesn't need to go cap-in-hand for a handout from anyone. 'Ave some of that, peasant.
    We have one more group of people that Organ considers himself superior to. This time it's those whose income has been affected. What an honour it is to have one of the golden elite post here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    You again with yet another snide remark. Some retaliation is overdue so here's one for you: muggins here doesn't need to go cap-in-hand for a handout from anyone. 'Ave some of that, peasant.
    Well done mate you must be very proud of yourself.

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