30 Ventilators

[chrisp_1927]

The grand total of 30 ventilators has been received by the NHS this week.
This comes after your govt refused EU assistance.

Forget your political allegiances, surely you can see your govt is beyond f**king useless?

I really do think you're going down the same road as the US. I hope I'm wrong.

Not sure why 30 ventilators this week is a bad thing. I think the NHS is still coping at the moment. The test will be if the next few weeks see a big increase in ventilators delivered.

[dml1954]

Gtech had also designed and could mass produce ventilators but were allegedly told by the government not to make any. There are also rumours that these were declined to a minor technicality.

In a state of emergency, I would hope the government isn't showing preference for those who have backed them in recent times.

If you are just about to be hooked up to a ventilator it must be really reassuring to be told that ‘there is a minor technical fault with this one but don't worry about it’. Would you want to be connected to one that hadn't been properly checked and tested ? No didn't think so. There is always at least one smart Alec who thinks he knows better than all the experts.

[dml1954]

As soon as someone comes out with something like Commy Corbyn, you know they've been brainwashed and don't know what they're talking about.

So what party and ideals does Corbyn follow then ? Please enlighten us all.

[Rjk]

Gtech had also designed and could mass produce ventilators but were allegedly told by the government not to make any. There are also rumours that these were declined to a minor technicality.

In a state of emergency, I would hope the government isn't showing preference for those who have backed them in recent times.

Minor technicalities in medical devices, especially things like ventilators can save lives

[Penywaun gentrified]

The issue, Mozzer, is that this is too little too late. Sat on their hands for weeks despite medical and scientific community warnings of what was to come. Clueless.

[Rjk]

What is the process used to certify them?

I guess that these will be classed as a "clinical trial", so in this case it is MHRA would review the data presented and decide whether it is sufficient to allow release of the product.
The deliverables would be similar to CE marking that you would need to fully release a product in Europe (or the UK), or a 510k in the states.
I think some of the CPAP dvices that people have tried to rush to market have struggled to present enough clinical evidence that the efficacy of the product is sufficient.
For ventilators the bar is even higher as there are rigorous standards for medical electrical equipment, usability etc, and things which are keeping people alive are going to be really scrutinised, as any mistakes will lead to death.

Medtronic have recently made the design of one of their ventilators open source, so that anyone can copy it, although even then you have to demonstrate that the production of the product is sufficiently in control.

[Croesy Blue]

So not exaclty something that can be done very quickly

[Rjk]

So not exaclty something that can be done very quickly

Some things do seem to be happening relatively quickly, but it was never going to be the case of being able to manufacture thousands straight off the bat.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

So what party and ideals does Corbyn follow then ? Please enlighten us all.

If you don't know the difference between socialism and communism then I'd suggest not getting involved with political discussion.

[Dorcus]

So what party and ideals does Corbyn follow then ? Please enlighten us all.

Party = The Labour Party
Ideals = Compassion, Equality, Fraternity and Determination ....not too bad a bunch I'm sure you'll agree!

[NYCBlue]

So what party and ideals does Corbyn follow then ? Please enlighten us all.

Read his manifesto and figure it out for yourself. You probably should have done that before the election though.

[Trigger]

I can't imagine Corbyn being much use in this situation and the less said for the rest of his front benchers the better.

The Labour election campaign was just awful.

Hate to quote Boris but he really did just dither about.

I don't think across the globe many governments are going to come out of this without critisicm or what ifs.

Worth remembering however that on 14th Jan the who were saying person to person transmission wasn't happening in China.

Lot of mistakes in China and everywhere but a select few countries.

[Elwood Blues]

Dear Croesy

I see you didn't respond to my reply to your post last night.

I take it you accept you were wrong then

Regards

Elwood

[Vindec]

The original posted is very misguided. There is an excess of over 2000 critical care beds with ventilators currently available but the new Nightingale hospitals will provide huge additional capacity. Success or failure of the government does not rely on the number of ventilators and I suggest we all stand back and avoid becoming armchair experts in a subject we know very little about.

[Eric Cartman]

I can't imagine Corbyn being much use in this situation and the less said for the rest of his front benchers the better.

The Labour election campaign was just awful.

Hate to quote Boris but he really did just dither about.

I don't think across the globe many governments are going to come out of this without critisicm or what ifs.

Worth remembering however that on 14th Jan the who were saying person to person transmission wasn't happening in China.

Lot of mistakes in China and everywhere but a select few countries.

Does it provide mitigation the complete inaction over the past 2 months in the UK around PPE, ventilators and testing for health workers? Nope

[Croesy Blue]

bff
Give me strength.

I do not love the Tories.

I have many reservations about Boris.

Disliking Corbyn and Abbott does mean I like him.

If she gets this my wife will almost certainly die.

I really can't be bothered with your garbage

You want to suck the tories off

[Croesy Blue]

Dear Croesy

I see you didn't respond to my reply to your post last night.

I take it you accept you were wrong then

Regards

Elwood

Done now mate

[Elwood Blues]

Done now mate

I'm not your mate

Thank goodness.

[Croesy Blue]

I'm not your mate

Thank goodness.

Ok pal

[Elwood Blues]

Ok pal

I'll tell Boris you sent your regards

[Rogersblue]

Well if &^%$£ like you put up a viable alternative instead of unelectable Commy Corbyn, than maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation.

Pointless whining how useless Boris is when the alternative was Jezza and Diane Abbott, ffs....

[Dorcus]

Definition of a moron: still holding idiotic opinions even in the face of death

[goats]

The issue, Mozzer, is that this is too little too late. Sat on their hands for weeks despite medical and scientific community warnings of what was to come. Clueless.

Why is it too late? Heath isn’t full, nor are most hospitals in South Wales......

[Louth]

You do realise medical equipment manufacturers don't hold stock of Equipment they build to order Louth so how do the Government expect to get thousands of ventilators out of thin air when every country wants thousands of them ?

The government did the right thing to get UK manufacturers to step up to the plate and help out the medical equipment manufacturers in making them . A big ask within a 2 week time frame and the company I work for teamed up with automotive companies and have been producing parts for the last week and supplying them to OEM Automotive companies who are assembly them . I,m hearing they will ready to ship to hospitals next week . What an achievement

I suppose the next big obstacle is to get alot of people trained operating and using them correctly

Ireland had 1,200 ventilators in Mid-March. 8 days later 1,000 more were made and delivered.

Stop making excuses, Boris was warned a long time ago. He was too busy taking it on the chin. The UK walked away from an EU agreement to source equipment back in early Feb.

The UK govt. have their own spin doctors, they don't need you too.

[insider]

Why is it too late? Heath isn’t full, nor are most hospitals in South Wales......

The peak of the virus is yet to come it was being pushed to that peak when General cock knocker Johnson was still saying it was OK to shake hands with corona virus patients.
That's why it's too late.