Why would we be on lockdown for 4 years after we'd all been vaccinated?Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
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Why would we be on lockdown for 4 years after we'd all been vaccinated?
Covid 24 .
Because there could be various strains.
Because there could be a new strain in 2022, or 2024, or 2025.
Could be. Could be. Could be.
That is why I said "there is every chance". Just as there is "every chance" this goes away. There are lots of hopes being pinned on "herd immunity" and vaccines. However, there is no actual evidence that people will remain immune for any length of time. Similarly, there are no current vaccines for other corona viruses. That is not to say that these are impossible to develop, but they will take at least 18 months, and possibly even longer. Also, not one of the scientists has answered the question about how a vaccine would work against the various strains that are out there.
I am not saying we will be on complete lockdown for 5 years (the usual amount of time to get new vaccines and/or treatments on line) - I am saying do not be surprised if we are in a similar situation in November 2020, or in 2022, or 2024. This could very well be with us for a long time. The question will soon be "is it worth decimating businesses for this", but that decision has already been made by the actions being undertaken.
You're using this sort of language repeatedly. There is no evidence for it and it's really not helpful.
There is a chance we'll have lock-downs for five years or more, not every chance.
As for being in the same position in November 2020, or 2022, or 2024, the fact of the matter is that you have no more idea what the situation will be then than anybody else does, although you like to make it sound like you do.
What is the infection rate? Didn't I read somewhere that one cruise had a rate of less than 20%? It's obvious that if one person has it, not everyone will get it from them. While I don't think that's a substitute for keeping a social distance and staying indoors, this is obviously important, it is important to know that people can be in a Covid-19 environment and not get it.
That's a good point. Factors you need to know is when did the initial carrier join the cruise , or how long into the cruise did the 20% figure show?
Lawnmower our illustrious poster is at home recovering from the virus . Another lad in his office also caught it . Tim said he was extremely careful , how did he get it , how come everyone in his office didn't catch it?
Without doubt it's a lottery to some extent. A lottery we have more chance of winning if we keep our distance and stay at home.
Was he tested?
People in his office may have caught it and been asymptomatic. The general R0 figure was 2.28 on the Princess Diamond ship. It does not follow that one person will pass it on to everyone that they are in contact with.
He probably caught it from breathing in droplets from an infected person (who may have also been asymptomatic)
I'm so glad I've had it and recovered from it.
I go out now without worrying if I'm going to catch it. I still take a bit of caution like social distancing for other people's peace of mind and I will wear gloves if I push a supermarket trolley.
I no longer feel afraid to go out and be around people like I did when before I caught it.
I'm glad you recovered from it - were you tested?
No . He had all the symptoms . He has been quite poorly .
I know Tim didn’t go to hospital , not sure about his colleague , therefore they wouldn’t be counted as having the virus . Correct ?
Would be interesting to see how many people we know that have had it and they haven’t been registered . How many people visit this board , a few hundred ?
Then how do you know he has had it?
Shouldn’t the whole country be locked down full stop then ?
Never mind .
So you don't know he has had it. It could be the flu which has many of the same symptoms. This is the big issue, we need more testing. We have people thinking they've had it, but actually haven't, walking around like supermen as if they have life-long immunity, but that also hasn't been scientifically proven.
What I am saying is that a load of you are making assumptions that are as dangerous as the virus itself.
You're talking incredibly confidently about a whole lot of very specialist subjects, what is it you do for a living? Serious question
What makes you think I am talking confidently. Someone makes a claim (two people in this thread alone either claim to have had it, or know someone who has). The logical question is "Were you tested?".
Similarly, people talk about immunity, but the science papers I have read are inconclusive.
Similarly, people talk like this is a one-off. Again the science papers I have read indicate that there is nothing to prevent a covid-21, covid-23 or covid-24.
I don't have any answers, and haven't really offered any. I have a strong interest in science related news items, and I would like to think that I apply a critical thought process to things I read.
There are, at best, 46 strains of this virus. From my understanding, viruses usually mutate into something weaker. However, the one question I have been asking myself (and for which I can find no answers) is does one vaccine defeat all covid-19 infections?
People often equate this with the flu. But, there are various strains of the flu. When you get a flu vaccination, it doesn't protect you against the flu full stop. It protects you against the most likely strain for the winter. That doesn't mean you shouldn't get vaccinated, but what it does mean is that you should not expect to be immune from the flu simply from the vaccine. At best you are 60% immune - if lucky.
And you're not?
Yeah , but what do you do for a living ?
He's a protocol droid. fluent in 6 million forms of communication.
I am not quite sure where my local testing station is ?
I am sure you do . Share ..
How does lawnmower know he has had covid-19?
How does Uncle Bob?
It's not a difficult question. If there has been no test, what makes lawnmower and uncle bob qualified to say they had covid-19 and not the flu?
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