Seems a fair question to be honest..Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
I'm not saying they haven't had it but would also like to know how they know they have had it?
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Seems a fair question to be honest..
I'm not saying they haven't had it but would also like to know how they know they have had it?
Lawnmower had a dry cough, a fever and lost his sense of taste.
Until the tests are available to all we will stumble around in the darkness.
I've just finished a 7day isolation, went down with a cold, not as nasty as some I've had in the past, but from the pattern of the cold from my own previous history I had it down as a bog std. cold from day one, rightly or wrongly, the two symptoms that turned me away from possible Covid was that, I have not had a temp/fever, my sense of taste & smell did not change, tomato sauce, (the acid test!!) still smells the foulest substance this earth has ever produced, if i would have been able to stomach tomato sauce smell i would have started to get a little worried.
LM symptoms fall into Covid territory when considering experiences from those who have had it.
The missus has had that for about a week and a half she's getting better nowI had a bad chest aching from the knees down as if i'd ran a marathon and bunged up. Don't usually have a cold/flu that bad
I thought so .
Is the flu going about impersonating covid 19 ?
In the absence of a test, how does lawnmower and how does Uncle Bob know they have covid-19?
Why is Uncle Bob walking around thinking "I've had it, so I am ok"?
I am not saying they HAVEN'T had covid-19, I am asking how do they know they HAVE had covid-19?
Not everyone is going to be exposed to it in an unvaccinated state.
I think this thread is showing the dangers of us arriving at judgements on a subject that, let's face it, nearly all of us knew buggar all about a couple of months ago. That's why I often qualify what I say with the words "I may be wrong here". And I'll do so again here.
From what I can gather, the scientific community have been caught on the hop somewhat because it was thought that the next pandemic would be a variant of the flu, hence the apparent lack of progress on the vaccines for corona viruses - they haven't been essential in the past. I'd also add a personal view here in that the fact that it is relatively rich western countries that are being worst affected will concentrate minds more than if it were the usual suspects so to speak and so I would not be surprised at all to see a vaccine available before some of the predictions in this thread.
I know there are those who, maybe justifiably, are wary of Chinese figures, but they probably are the best things we can go on for now and there seems little in them so far to suggest that you can catch the virus again after having it- I say that having also read something by an expert in the field who said that there are always a very small percentage of people who have a second bout of any pandemic virus.
Returning to my first point, the fact that so little work was being done on finding vaccines for corona viruses until recently suggests that the likelihood of Covid 21., 22, 24 etc is low historically doesn't it? Again though, I qualify all of the above by adding that they are the opinions of someone who is far, far from a specialist in this field.
Well, the likelihood of a Covid-19 was also low. But, here we are. I would like to think that we would be better prepared for any subsequent one but, until we resolve the current issue globally, we won't be.
A recent study in China of 262 recovered sufferers found that 38 tested positive for Covid-19 after being discharged. That doesn't mean reinfection, but it could mean reinfection. It could also be that there are traces of the virus after recovery, or it could mean that there were problems with the first test.
So, the question of immunity hasn't been answered. I have seen estimates as low as few months to as high as a few years. That is why there is, in my opinion, a possibility of further waves of this going on for a few years (based on the premise that a vaccine is difficult to produce). I see as much evidence for this scenario as there is evidence this is a one wave pandemic.
It's also not helpful that people walk around thinking they have had it and are therefore immune to it. Firstly, these people have never been tested so they are assuming they've had it. Secondly, they are assuming that they are now immune. Thirdly, they are assuming that they can no longer be a transmitter of the disease. Their assumptions may well be correct, but if they are not correct they are putting themselves in danger. I wouldn't want to get Covid-19 at all, let alone a few weeks after a nasty flu infection.
So what you're saying is that your opinion is different to mine, but, still, neither of us can be sure of what were saying and we cannot speak with any great authority on this subject, hence my frequent use of I could be wrong.
Look, I have put the reasons for my arguments here in black and white. Where I have been most forceful is in challenging other people's opinions. That doesn't mean I think I am right, and I've never said I am right. I appreciate my scenario is unpalatable. But, I have to say, I won't be led up a pretty garden path on this. The thought and expectation that flattening the curve is all we have to do is incredibly optimistic. I am fearful that people are not being prepared for a reoccurrence of this - and I am incredibly concerned at how the public would respond if there were a second wave that they weren't expecting.
Personally, I think the UK is one of the few countries to have gotten the handling of this correct - albeit late. That doesn't preclude the likelihood of another wave and another lockdown . I don't quite understand why me ruling this out is so upsetting. I am preparing for it - I will be downsizing as soon as this is over and making myself mortgage free. If my job survives this wave, it won't survive if there is a subsequent wave.
Where I have less confidence is that, once contained, it is over. Where I have less confidence is that, once you have it, you're immune for years. And, I have little confidence that a vaccine is the complete answer. That will take years (I still think 18 months is optimistic) - and you have the anti-vax movement to contend with. Measles was all but eradicated until recently thanks to those bastards.
Cant find much in there to argue with . That's how I see it going , truth is no one knows .
I opened with my opinion. I am mechanic who drives a truck and runs a small business. What do I know ?
If something good comes from this , will it be our attitude to greed and the destruction we are doing to the planet?
I agree about the possibility of a second outbreak and I'm pretty sure the people who really count in this, the people with the specialist knowledge, are currently assuming that there will be one and, when there is, how can the damage it causes be minimised. However, for me, there are two things going on here, one involving those specialists and another involving the general public who are, for now, just longing for a time when they can return to something like normality. I happen to think that, even if there is a second wave, there will be a period where the restrictions will be eased somewhat and we can get that normality back for a while - this will leave us better prepared if we have do have to go through more lockdowns.
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What is the evidence you have seen that means you can categorically rule this scenario out? I've been looking, and I can't see anything. Therefore, what makes my scenario (based on the lack of knowledge on immunisation, the lack of a vaccine, the inability to test enough of the population of practically every country) more unhelpful than the scenario that life will be back to normal in time for Christmas. I have not said anywhere that this WILL happen.
The Spanish flu was with us for 2 years - this was exacerbated by people returning from war and malnourishment. It died a natural way, but at a time when people weren't travelling all 4 corners of the globe. How easy do you think it will be to contain a second wave that originates in America or Australia or India?
Easy lock the borders immediately no one in no one out.
What is dangerous about debating the possibility that this could go on for a long time? Compared to others in this thread who
A Still go out cycling
B Have been ill and assume they are immune from Covid-19
C Assume a friend has had it and query why not everyone he has been with has had it (conspirational theory stuff)
I have
A Explored and reasoned why I think this COULD BE with us a long time. I will be happy if and when I am wrong, and I'll continue reading the journals and change my opinions based on those.
You are trying, in a blinkered way, to make mileage out of the fact that I use words like "could be" but everything is a "could be". It's obvious that if my "could be" was a nice one you'd have less of a problem. It's plain that you are unable to apply critical or scientific thinking to this. I am not ruling anything in or out - there is no embarrassment if I am wrong, that's not how this stuff works (although that is exactly how it works on a forum where people fall out over trivial matters)
I have seen something similar written on a scientific forum, and it's not surprising that it has had a more mature response from a more pragmatic audience than my posting on a football message board. It reasons that countries will face shortened periods of restrictions over the next decade - many of those placed to protect the economy from a longer lockdown like Spain, Italy and eventually us are experiencing.
And so we get to the crux of the matter .
Firstly , cycling hasn't been banned , Unless of course I missed that memo.
My mistake was to cycle further than my local area. It has been brought up , I have been suitably criticised. I have seen the error of my ways and said I wouldn't repeat it . Yet you have brought it up at least three times on this thread .
We have asked you what your roll in life is , I am going to say you are not a leader , leaders do not chastise people time and time again for the same mistake , it makes them look small minded and unintelligent .
Its great you have shared your superior knowledge with us all . thank you.
What's wrong with cycling?
As long as you are on your own and keep a distance better still into the countryside where there are no people?
how far did you go?
Which is correct. I hope he is recovering, and I hope he gets an antibody test when they are available.
I think we'll all have reassessed our priorities in life, and that is a good thing.
I would agree with this myself makes complete sense.
My experience was I had severe flu like no other I've had.
The flu went after 5 days but had severe breathing difficulties after climbing the stairs, It was like somebody had thrown a bag of flour up in the air constantly and you were trying to breath. This finally went after almost 2 weeks. A few days ago so I can see why it has been killing a lot of people.
So if your quite fit and healthy I'd say just get it out the way as it can make you a prisoner in your own mind until you get it.
Now I've had it I go out and I feel invincible about it now.
Were you tested?
Why have you taken it so personally? You're not the only one flouting the rules, although you are one of the few correcting their ways.
I was merely comparing me theorising where this may take us, with the actions of people who flout the rules, and people who claim they have had the illness without tests.
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