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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Joe Pasquale would be a breath of fresh air after Corbyn.
    Could have Duncan Norvelle running through the opposition benches "chase me, chase me".

  2. #62

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
    ...in the next election...

    Add to that the fact we will be out of the EU - when most EU countries are having a worse time of it than us.
    What makes you think the UK will be doing better than most EU countries at the time of the next election? Am genuinely curious.

  3. #63

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by Dublinblue View Post
    What makes you think the UK will be doing better than most EU countries at the time of the next election? Am genuinely curious.
    I’m concerned that the EU will have a ‘bugger you’ attitude, quite understandably, and the UK will have to go it alone in the rebuild of society, very sobering thought that we'll be on the outside looking in while Europe mucks in as one.

  4. #64

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by tell it like it is View Post
    A sandwich is a sandwich...

    If he was uncomfortable eating is as you claim then why order it other than for a PR shot? He was raised secular, so chances are may well have eaten bacon before. He does after all refer to himself as a Jewish athiest.

    It just made no sense doing it and played into the image of him as Labour's answer to Mr Bean.
    Well as a Muslim who was raised fairly secularly, I have never eaten pork bacon. Can't believe I am arguing about a ****ing sandwich!

  5. #65

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by tell it like it is View Post
    His record when compared to his brother possibly?

    One has achieved, the other hasn't.
    So Starmer was meant to compare him to his brother when deciding whether to have him in his shadow cabinet, even though his brother isn't an MP and doesn't want to be in the shadow cabinet?

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    There is a lot of unrest between Eu states at the moment as some are saying the 'solidarity' only works when the northern(Rich) nations think it suits them
    The EU is threratening Hungary and Italy is berating Holland for vetoing financial assistance for them in the pandemic. Do you really want to be in a club like that? I'm not sure.

  7. #67

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    So Starmer was meant to compare him to his brother when deciding whether to have him in his shadow cabinet, even though his brother isn't an MP and doesn't want to be in the shadow cabinet?
    Shami wasn't an MP when she was in shadow cabinet.

    The achievements of David compared to Ed show Ed is, well, not very good at whatever it is he does. Better than most of the current crop of Labour MPs, I'll grant you that but you believe there are zero better candidates for the role?

    Ed has a groupie!

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    There is a lot of unrest between Eu states at the moment as some are saying the 'solidarity' only works when the northern(Rich) nations think it suits them
    The EU is threratening Hungary and Italy is berating Holland for vetoing financial assistance for them in the pandemic. Do you really want to be in a club like that? I'm not sure.
    The sign of the strength of any union is the reaction in a crisis. Well, the crisis is here...

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by tell it like it is View Post
    The sign of the strength of any union is the reaction in a crisis. Well, the crisis is here...
    As I understand it there was a total lack of mutual support and assistance in the first week or so of the Covid 19 crisis (especially when Italy asked for help) but then the EU states started to get their act together. French and Italian patients are now in German hospitals (and French in Luxemburg) and there has been a real effort to combine resources, research and purchasing power. When you add that to the Chinese equipment and doctors in Lombardy - and the Cuban doctors - the picture is now much more positive!

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    As I understand it there was a total lack of mutual support and assistance in the first week or so of the Covid 19 crisis (especially when Italy asked for help) but then the EU states started to get their act together. French and Italian patients are now in German hospitals (and French in Luxemburg) and there has been a real effort to combine resources, research and purchasing power. When you add that to the Chinese equipment and doctors in Lombardy - and the Cuban doctors - the picture is now much more positive!
    I have read that Dutch patients have been submitted to German hospitals too.

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    As I understand it there was a total lack of mutual support and assistance in the first week or so of the Covid 19 crisis (especially when Italy asked for help) but then the EU states started to get their act together. French and Italian patients are now in German hospitals (and French in Luxemburg) and there has been a real effort to combine resources, research and purchasing power. When you add that to the Chinese equipment and doctors in Lombardy - and the Cuban doctors - the picture is now much more positive!
    Well the purchasing aint working, we now know that much. But i hope they get it together.

  12. #72

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Son of a factory worker and an NHS nurse

    State schooled

    Barrister

    Represented families of striking dockers who had benefits cut off

    Represented mineworkers when it sued the tory government for failing to provide transitional relief for unemployed miners

    Published a legal document to widespread acclaim that the 2003 invasion of Iraq would be unlawful

    Took the last labour government to court over its decision to deny welfare benefits to asylum seekers

    As director of public prosecutions he prosecuted mp's who cheated on their expenses

    Changed prosecution guidelines on violence towards women

    The odious daily mail and daily telegraph have already gone on the attack ...

    High flying law man desperate to stress his working class credentials ! spouts the telegraph

    After this governments shocking response to the coronavirus, the right wing press are fearing a 1945 swing to labour and keir starmer has got them worried

    Let's have it
    I donít think the Torres are in fear of any Labour Party leader at present.
    Labour look and act like a party that will be in opposition for many years to come.

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Son of a factory worker and an NHS nurse

    State schooled

    Barrister

    Represented families of striking dockers who had benefits cut off

    Represented mineworkers when it sued the tory government for failing to provide transitional relief for unemployed miners

    Published a legal document to widespread acclaim that the 2003 invasion of Iraq would be unlawful

    Took the last labour government to court over its decision to deny welfare benefits to asylum seekers

    As director of public prosecutions he prosecuted mp's who cheated on their expenses

    Changed prosecution guidelines on violence towards women

    The odious daily mail and daily telegraph have already gone on the attack ...

    High flying law man desperate to stress his working class credentials ! spouts the telegraph

    After this governments shocking response to the coronavirus, the right wing press are fearing a 1945 swing to labour and keir starmer has got them worried

    Let's have it
    I think theres a politics section for this

  14. #74

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    [QUOTE=Heisenberg;5062851]The Sun will be on the attack soon (if they're not already) as Starmer was head of public prosecutions during the

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    [QUOTE=William Treseder;5063985]
    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    The Sun will be on the attack soon (if they're not already) as Starmer was head of public prosecutions during the
    Does anybody still read the Sun?

  16. #76

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    [QUOTE=William Treseder;5063986]
    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Does anybody still read the Sun?
    Most read paper in the country by a distance

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    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    [QUOTE=Croesy Blue;5063990]
    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post

    Most read paper in the country by a distance
    Im surprised anyone buys a newspaper nowadays, with all the news of the day today at your fingertips.
    I don't, do you?.
    Last edited by William Treseder; 09-04-20 at 07:29. Reason: Spelling

  18. #78

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by stan butler View Post
    I think theres a politics section for this
    You must be bored to tears posting that 😂

  19. #79

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    As I understand it there was a total lack of mutual support and assistance in the first week or so of the Covid 19 crisis (especially when Italy asked for help) but then the EU states started to get their act together. French and Italian patients are now in German hospitals (and French in Luxemburg) and there has been a real effort to combine resources, research and purchasing power. When you add that to the Chinese equipment and doctors in Lombardy - and the Cuban doctors - the picture is now much more positive!
    The scheme the UK government was criticised for not joining due to not receiving the email has so ar delivered exactly zero ventilators.

    Germany have withheld supplies of masks to Austria and Switzerland.

    Finland have joined several other nations in being pissed off as Chinese provided masks have failed to meet the health requirements - unfit for purpose.

    Senior EU doctor has quit and blasted EU for their lack of response.

  20. #80

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    [QUOTE=William Treseder;5064007]
    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post

    Im surprised anyone buys a newspaper nowadays, with all the news of the day today at your fingertips.
    I don't, do you?.
    If you include online they have an even bigger readership

  21. #81

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Im surprised anyone buys a newspaper nowadays, with all the news of the day today at your fingertips.
    I don't, do you?.
    The Sun is read by around 1.25m. It was closer to 4m 20 years ago.

    However, this might be an interesting read. https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/how...-key-findings/

    It's a year old but it is undoubtedly revelant. I was surprised that the Grauniad is the most read online paper given that so few buy it. I think most links I see on social media are from the Mail or Guardian. The crap (Sun, Star, Mirror), though this isn't listed here, are suffering the biggest fall in readership, while the top end papers aren't to the same degree.

    In terms of left and right, both the Mail and Sun easily outperform their left of centre rivals in newspaper sales, while the Mirror and Grauniad outperform their right of centre rivals in online readership. I wonder how much of that is an age thing? The only demographic I regularly see buy a paper is older men. That's not to suggest the media has less impact. Bullshit printed by newspapers can get quickly shared on social media. If memory serves, the Mail was easily the most viewed online paper prior to the 2016 referendum, much of that I suspect was down to stories being shared around social media.

  22. #82

    Re: Keir Starmer, the leader the tories fear the most

    Printed media is dying off

    Look at fanzines - any news / information got dated really quickly as the internet took off. It's the same for newspapers, events, news change incredibly quickly, information arrives almost every minute. Print runs can only collate on a daily basis. Equally, as media outlets react by utilising the internet, people then flock to online - why then buy a paper?

    The only downside is you then get whackjob sites set up claiming to be "journalists" when they are glorified bloggers - see Skwawkbox...

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