Reply With QuoteWell, if he was Organ he'd want you to think that.Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Trampie, do you use Youtube at all?
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I said further left. Momentum I've little doubt have some far left involved. Far left, far right are every bit as bad as each other.
Blair didn't lose an election, Brown did. The membership growth isn't that irrelevant, it's voters that matter at end of day - and Labour keep saying "500k" but have refused to give actual figures the last few years.
2017 imo Labour had a perfect storm of "new" Leader promising the earth along with May running one of the worst political campaigns ever... and still failed to win.
It's easy to blame the media and not politicians.
Well, if he was Organ he'd want you to think that.
Trampie, do you use Youtube at all?
Found this, seems quote was doctored.
https://twitter.com/notcalledjohn/st...120192/photo/1
There is no point in Labour winning a UK General Election if they are not on the left as people would be voting for a brand and not for left wing policies, totally pointless.
I'm aware of it but I don't use it.
Have a read and a listen to this.
The western world has been preoccupied by greed and profit,
The wise man built his house on rock.The foolish man built his on sand.https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/geor...ry?id=69979013
People vote for a brand anyway for the most part!
The batteground is the center. Center-left, center-right. Extremes on both sides only ever appeal to a small demographic.
That was Corbyn's fault, looking to left only and failing to grasp needed to attract votes from Tories, not purely appeal to core base.
Present but didn't inhale, huh?
If you look at the political compass site the Conservative party are off the scale right wing, Plaid are very close to the centre (slightly left), Labour was off the scale right wing until Corbyn also.
If anyone has an interest in the Data Protection side of this (just me maybe!) Morrisons' recent Supreme Court judgement could be relevant here. In that case a rogue employee ,who had been subject to a disciplinary, leaked online the payroll files of close to 100,000 staff.
Initially the ICO fined them and it was upheld at appeal but just a few weeks ago the Supreme Court overturned both decisions as it decided (probably fairly in the end) that a company cannot be held reasonably responsible for employees going rogue and committing criminal acts.
So in terms of any data protection enforcement it will all depend on if this document was hacked due to poor security or had been released as a deliberate act by someone with a grudge.
What political compass site is that? Isn't that purely a subjective assessment anyway?
Labour off the scale right wing? Are you seriously claiming Labour were akin to NF, BNP et al before Corbyn???
The political compass site, they used to show the parties over the years (not sure if they still do), I remember reading a comment about Labour after somebody seen their position on a graph when they were right wing pre Corbyn where they noted they were almost a facist party, it made me smile but I thought fair enough hard to argue with that, you could barely get a fag paper between Labour and Conservative policies at the time, I used to call Labour red Tories it used to upset some old Labour voters but that is where the Labour party was.
As regards NF/BNP types their policies could be said to be populist just like Trump and Boris parties of today.
Good grief, I'm convinced you genuinely believe what you wrote, Organ / Trampie.
I will give you a tip butt, I never lie and have no agenda so it's difficult to trump me in a debate, that is why I always get banned.
You're not trumping anyone nor is it a personal thing as you seem to believe....
If you're claiming Labour were right wing pre Corbyn, you're bonkers.
They were right wing, no doubt about it, the political compass site pitched them as right wing, Tony Blair was more of a Tory than Margaret Thatcher was, they did not call them Red Tories for nothing.
So your evidence Labour under Milliband - Milliband ffs - was right wing was a website right?
I believe this may be what they're referring to: https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015
Top post Eric 👏
Bonkers.
Red Ed Milliband, elected by the unions... was on the right...
The unions aren't necessarily left wing
I was at one of Burnham's hustings when he was running for leader. Surprisingly disappointing. Either he thought he had it in the bag, or he knew already he had lost. Failed to inspire me. A politician who is good at soundbites but lacks real conviction.
You don't understand butt for many years Labours policies were right wing, they were a right wing party that called themselves a left wing party, lol, and the London press also loved to call them left wing when they were actually right wing the proof of the pudding is in the eating and their policies were right wing, they weren't looking to renationalise vital industries on mass, they weren't looking to greatly increase taxes or to increase the welfare state, they weren't looking to greatly increase council house building or reinstate clause 4.
The unions are also right wing, in the main it's only higher paid workers and middle class types that are union members, many gig economy workers on zero hour contracts and minimum wage workers and part time workers are not in unions, many shop assistants, cleaners, hairdressers, farm labourers etc are not in unions, unions are often for the elite types teachers, civil servants, train drivers etc.
Corbyn was wrong to surround himself with yes men and women. Created a cult that eventually destroyed him. Boris Johnson is going the same way.
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