Reply With QuoteHe royally f*cked that leadership election, courted the left then flip flopped between left and right, rejected union money and failed to vote against Tory welfare cutsOriginally Posted by Former Labour leader
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Well said butt, they are often right wingers these days, it's a shame but there you go.
Power to the people I say.
He royally f*cked that leadership election, courted the left then flip flopped between left and right, rejected union money and failed to vote against Tory welfare cuts
I understand butt and I cannot lie...
Glad to have been able to educate you butt, don't listen to them English spin doctors and just in case you didn't know the BBC are right wing, Welsh University professor types were commissioned to look into it and their findings were reported back to the Beeb that they were right wing like the vast bulk of the English press and their quislings.
I don't think it was necessarily Corbyn surrounding himself with those people. I always viewed it more that he was a useful idiot for Milne, with the strings being pulled backstage with Magic Grandpa as the facade.
Whoooosh.
If the truth comes out about this governments monumental screw up of this virus handling then labour will make huge gains under starmer
Corbyn , Abbott and that crew were a liability
This leaked document will mean nothing if the sun shines on the conservatives shocking government from december 2019
oh dear
What is the truth then Sludge?
That presumes there's a Labour party remaining by then.
Shadow minister and general ginger ****stick LLoyd Russell-Moyle tweeted a link to the unredacted report...
I think the Corbyn election was much deeper and cleverer than we know about , Burnham was not too far right he has always been a strong left sided socialist and a good MP, but someone did a number on him , as at that point he was riding a crest of a wave for his dedicated effort and commitment to the Hillsborough review .
Was a Health Secretary under Brown .
In my humble view I think Corbyn was a puppet that folk knew they could easily manipulate and control for their narrow agenda ,whereas someone like Burnham, would not be so easily controlled.
I suspect he'll say it was a monumental screw up of this virus handling.
Just a hunch.
Think Mid Staffs also did him in.
Maybe it was overconfidence against Corbyn.
I agree with your view, Corbyn was a useful idiot for Milne to manipulate.
That on the 23rd of January matt hancock made a statement to the house of commons
In it he said that the uk was prepared for any outbreak , that the risk was low and that the NHS had the necessary capacity and equipment to deal with coronavirus
All complete and utter horseshit
Based upon the information at that time, Sludge. As of that point, WHO believe China with the "no person to person transmissions" bs.
This is good but feel it should be extended to show comparisons to countries around the world and show issue by issue as well.
How much does this report actually matter now? Anyone can see that discard too much of what Labour has been under last 5 years means they're set to repeat recent their mistakes but in slightly less scruffy suits, likewise anyone can see that continuing as they have been in past couple of years demonstrates to voters that Labour cares more about "winning the Labour party" than it does everyday issues. There is a good government in there somewhere, a government which is needed far more than current Fidesz wannabees, but it doesn't focus on that then we'll never get to see it.
Well that suggests Labour were not right wing as the Tories .
If Labour want power they have to move to the centrecentralist ground ,if they don't then its another long wait in the politcal wilderness ,I think its fair to assume from recent elections since Thatcher the bulk of the country would like a social democratic party with a slight pinch of conservatism.
If they didn't Corbyn or Miliband would have romped home by now.
Labour was a right wing party for many years in between Foot and Corbyn, the Conservatives are extremely right wing, Plaid are a middle of the road party been fractionally left of centre for years if not forever yet they get painted as on the extremes by the right wing press who try to protray the Cons and Labour as either side of the centre line when the reality was both Cons and Labour were out on the right (as well as Lib-Dems) and the likes of Plaid and the SNP politically occupy the centre ground.
Well were all entitled to a view .
I simply don't agree with your analysis.
Although leaked, the Labour Party report seems to have got some traction and also seems to be accepted even by those politicians and journalists who were most fanatical in weaponising the antisemitism allegations to attack Corbyn - from some of the main coup leaders to Guardian/Observer columnists.
There appears to be an expectation that Starmer will have to make an example of some of the staffers who plotted against the Corbyn leadership (presumably the MPs and peers who plotted with them will avoid trouble) to balance out the cull of Corbynistas.
Misleading the leader on antisemitism allegations, slow timing investigations to embarrass him, sabotaging elements of the 2017 election campaign, suppressing islamophobia allegations against Corbyn critics, and indulging in sexist, racist and verbally violent abuse in social media chat groups must surely have consequences.
This is a real test for Starmer and Rayner. I am not confident they will pass!
Why do you disagree with the political compass site plotting of the parties over the years ?
Blair, Brown and Mandelson were seen not so much as being leading figures in the Labour party but leading figures in a party routinely called NuLabour as they had abandoned clause 4, officially abandoned clause 4 actually and embraced the free market.
As an aside the imposters in the Labour party are not momentum but the red Tories.
That's your view not mine ,I actually don't see the Tories as the right movement a lot of folk say they are , ell certainly not in the Thatcher ,theybare more socially minded and appear to embrace a multi cultured approach to its cabinet placings and have avenues for women to come to the fore.
Blair , Mandelson were Liberal social Democrats not right wing in my book , just central in a Labour party which did get a landslide victory twice?
As for clause 4 even Hugh Gaitskell*wanted it changed as it was outdated ,not fit for purpose , and hampered Labour in the modern age, it is and was an outdated Fabian born ideilogy dating back to its creation in 1917, things do change ,so do visions , that's how parties and life evolves if you stay in the past you sadly remain there it's clear through the ballot box the country doesn't want it
Even the great John Smith wanted change Smith he brought Gordon Brown as shadow Chancellor Blair as his shadow Home Secretary.
Smith whom recognised change was needed once said
“I believe we must replace the out-of-date idea of an all-powerful nation state with a new and dynamic framework of government.”*
The new version of clause 4 bravely changed by Blair 1995 reads
“The Labour Party is a (democratic socialist party)."
"""It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.""
I do not think (Sir Kier ) will disagree with this .
The Conservatives are deemed to be off the scale for being right wing per the political compass site.
No mention by you of Hardie, Atlee, Bevan, Foot, Tony Benn etc I see.
The perception of the Conservatives is skewed by the right wing press not wanting to protray them as being very right wing and this is exacerbated by the state broadcaster following Labour over to the right in Blair's years and being desperate to pitch themselves between Labour and the Conservatives and as a result only giving right wing views and rarely views from the middle ground as put forward by the likes of Plaid and the SNP.
The Conservatives being economically right wing is borne out by their austerity policies resulting in foodbanks and homelessness.
I will admit of being more centrais, t and yep I'd could never seen Benn , Foot or Corbyn delivering a political vision or choice I'd like , and I think a lot of labour voters think the same .
More centralist as in been between NuLabour and the Conservatives out on the right wing ? or more centralist as in supporting social justice policies and equality like Plaid in Wales, the SNP in Scotland and the Social Democratic and Labour party in Ireland ?
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