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It was a way of life. I know people from all sorts of backgrounds who are / were involved with recreational drugs or hard drugs. Some of the worst heroin / crack addicts I know come from well to do family’s and good homes.

This notion that all heroin or crack addicts have a horrific back story and are just using drugs as an escape to block it out is poppycock and the sort of text book bullshit that people who’ve never used drugs or experienced that lifestyle come out with. There are some victims of course there are but there are many more out there playing the victim and are conniving scum bags. Telling these people they are not to blame and excusing their actions (muggings, burglary) just seems to be the go to excuse to plead for leniency for their wrong doings.

I can’t disagree.

Once certain drugs become a lifestyle, help is difficult to offer after a certain amount of times of being burned.

My cousin who was and still is deep down a lovely lad.
Succumbed and now his kids who were born addicted to heroin and have their struggles while my Uncle has tried in vain to help, where he really should have no business trying to do so at his age.

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Don’t patronise me on mental health. Not that I need to explain myself to you but I was suicidal to the point of planning my own death to look like an accident rather than suicide so my wife and children would still get my death in service and life insurance. Thankfully I got better. Through some medication (I pay my taxes. You don’t like if? Tough)? and the gym and with no thanks to the useless money grabbing swizzlers at MIND I may add.

And you don’t need to patronise me on addiction either. I’m an addict. A gambling addict. I don’t however blame it on Illness and or whatever bullshit you come up with to excuse poor behaviour. Take some responsibility for your addictions is what I say. No excuses. Own it. 57 days today I haven’t gambled. Tomorrow will be 58 if I get through it. If I don’t it will be my fault no one else’s.

Sounds like you are doing well JR, I good mate of mine is a gambler, I even lived with him for two years when he was in the thick of it and he managed to hide it. He knows he will be one forever but runs his own business now has a family, got rid of his debts (40k at one point) and is good these days. I always remember him telling how sometimes it would just overcome him, driving back to wales from a job with two grand on him, next thing he knew he had pulled over at a pub or bookies, all cash gone and he was back sitting in his car in tears......

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The Rave scene was great we must be a similar age and did the same things back in the early 90's, i must admit, it didnt last 20 years for me though, i started to pee blood and i knew it was time to jack it in, I couldnt ditch my mates as they were my mates, but they were getting worse and worse, so i thought i better find a girl and settle down, i did, funny enough i then got into body building ( but clean body building was hard graft, so i jacked that in )
i drifted from relationship to relationship ( around the world ) till i met my wife

i never had dark tuesdays, just constantly on it, i was wired 7 days a week

Im just fine, though i guess i just hit it hard for a few years and stopped, i know plenty who carried on for longer and are damaged goods now

It was prob more like 15 but 92-2002 were full on, managed to curb it somewhat after 2005, got married in 2008 and had basically just had enough, kids a few years later. Different life which I love. Not that I didn’t enjoy partying but there’s a point when you realise you are not 24 and have to move on. Not that some of my mates have, they still love the powder in there mid 40’s, some will never change and have no kids to snap them out of it.

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It was a way of life. I know people from all sorts of backgrounds who are / were involved with recreational drugs or hard drugs. Some of the worst heroin / crack addicts I know come from well to do family’s and good homes.

This notion that all heroin or crack addicts have a horrific back story and are just using drugs as an escape to block it out is poppycock and the sort of text book bullshit that people who’ve never used drugs or experienced that lifestyle come out with. There are some victims of course there are but there are many more out there playing the victim and are conniving scum bags. Telling these people they are not to blame and excusing their actions (muggings, burglary) just seems to be the go to excuse to plead for leniency for their wrong doings.

Too right, out of all the many groups of wreck heads I knew one of the worst lot were from llandaff. A few of them no longer with us after succumbing to the needle of death in the words of Bert J.....

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I think a lot of us born in the early to mid 70’s were part of the rave scene of the late 80’s/ early 90’s.
I can’t think of many friends who didn’t dabble with Ecstasy, Speed or Acid.

One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was taking Acid...I’ve simply not not the mental constitution for it.
It was horrible but I’m lucky enough to have lived and learned even though the year after was a massive struggle with my Mental Health afterwards.
I should have known better than to do it in the first place even though friends of mine loved and advocated it.

A Heroin lifestyle seems to be a different choice, intentionally getting out of it rather than “upping” yourself to have fun.

Both are very very dangerous in their own ways as is alcohol.

We do make our own beds, but circumstances and poor choices are certainly a factor in how we do it and how well it is made.

You have to have a strong mind to be able to deal with acid, it’s another level. A good few will never be the same again after it and no doubts it can change your brain forever. Looking back, god knows what I was thinking but as they say, everyone was doing it. Lots came dependant on other things after doing it, booze, weed mainly, but a few got into the brown and never came back.......

[J R Hartley]

Sounds like you are doing well JR, I good mate of mine is a gambler, I even lived with him for two years when he was in the thick of it and he managed to hide it. He knows he will be one forever but runs his own business now has a family, got rid of his debts (40k at one point) and is good these days. I always remember him telling how sometimes it would just overcome him, driving back to wales from a job with two grand on him, next thing he knew he had pulled over at a pub or bookies, all cash gone and he was back sitting in his car in tears......

Cheers

Yeah, 6 months since I had a serious bump in the road (November 6th) but in the main, touch wood, in the last 3 years there have been very few bumps.

Have a fiver on the football on a Saturday only now just for a bit of interest. Thats why I know how long its been as its been 8 weeks since the National League last played. I havent been tempted to bet anything else which is good. Some boys I know are gambling on russian table tennis and people playing FIFA against each other to get their fix.

Just keep away from the roulette wheel. Ironically ive always been good with money and im not daft, but put me in front of a roullette wheel and all sense out of the window. Chase, chase, chase.

Been working for the last 4 years on bringing the debt down, will be another 3 providing I dont have many serious bumps and I should finally have the weight off my shoulders.

Gambling is easier to hide than drugs or alcohol but its mentally exhausting.

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Cheers

Yeah, 6 months since I had a serious bump in the road (November 6th) but in the main, touch wood, in the last 3 years there have been very few bumps.

Have a fiver on the football on a Saturday only now just for a bit of interest. Thats why I know how long its been as its been 8 weeks since the National League last played. I havent been tempted to bet anything else which is good. Some boys I know are gambling on russian table tennis and people playing FIFA against each other to get their fix.

Just keep away from the roulette wheel. Ironically ive always been good with money and im not daft, but put me in front of a roullette wheel and all sense out of the window. Chase, chase, chase.

Been working for the last 4 years on bringing the debt down, will be another 3 providing I dont have many serious bumps and I should finally have the weight off my shoulders.

Gambling is easier to hide than drugs or alcohol but its mentally exhausting.

Good on you mate and I’m sure our paths have crossed many times over the years bounc8ng around various clubs, or stumbling in my case.....

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Don’t patronise me on mental health. Not that I need to explain myself to you but I was suicidal to the point of planning my own death to look like an accident rather than suicide so my wife and children would still get my death in service and life insurance. Thankfully I got better. Through some medication (I pay my taxes. You don’t like if? Tough)? and the gym and with no thanks to the useless money grabbing swizzlers at MIND I may add.

And you don’t need to patronise me on addiction either. I’m an addict. A gambling addict. I don’t however blame it on Illness and or whatever bullshit you come up with to excuse poor behaviour. Take some responsibility for your addictions is what I say. No excuses. Own it. 57 days today I haven’t gambled. Tomorrow will be 58 if I get through it. If I don’t it will be my fault no one else’s.

Addiction is an illness , like mental illness and indeed most people with a substance misuse problem have a dual diagnosis of a mental health problem

So far you have mentioned drugs , alcohol and gambling , that's three

A few days ago, and consistently since you have suggested I am an apologist for junkies and addicts committing crime

So what are you ? Are you still a junkie , are you still an alcoholic ?

Or have you recovered and that now gives you the right to forget your own demons and pontificate on the lifestyle and health of others ?

Because I think that's double standards

Oh I am unwell , I need help , the doctor gives you medication and you stop drinking , gambling and using drugs

And then once you are well the rules dont apply to you and people who have serious mental illness and use drugs are junkies ?

Maybe this woman was just a weekend dabber like you but she had a severe underlying psychosis that was triggered by recreational powder use?

I think you need to have a look at yourself , you dont like being questioned about your own lifestyle but are happy to make judgement on others .

It doesn't work like that .

[J R Hartley]

Addiction is an illness , like mental illness and indeed most people with a substance misuse problem have a dual diagnosis of a mental health problem

So far you have mentioned drugs , alcohol and gambling , that's three

A few days ago, and consistently since you have suggested I am an apologist for junkies and addicts committing crime

So what are you ? Are you still a junkie , are you still an alcoholic ?

Or have you recovered and that now gives you the right to forget your own demons and pontificate on the lifestyle and health of others ?

Because I think that's double standards

Oh I am unwell , I need help , the doctor gives you medication and you stop drinking , gambling and using drugs

And then once you are well the rules dont apply to you and people who have serious mental illness and use drugs are junkies ?

Maybe this woman was just a weekend dabber like you but she had a severe underlying psychosis that was triggered by recreational powder use?

I think you need to have a look at yourself , you dont like being questioned about your own lifestyle but are happy to make judgement on others .

It doesn't work like that .

Question my lifestyle as much as you want, I havent forgotten my demons, they very much live with me but I take full ownership for my own issues. I dont need an apologist like you telling me its an illness and to just do as I damn well please to feed my addiction as its not my fault. It is my fault, we have choices. I choose to take drugs, I choose to throw away thousands of pounds , no-one made me do it.

I was unwell long before the gambling addiction took a grip. Been taking anti depressents for 13 years. In some respects they didnt help with the gambling as they make you not give a shit, living in a bubble, hence why I tried to come off them too quickly last year and ended up having a breakdown, didnt taper long enough.

And yes I will have an opinion on junkies because I didnt rob and threaten others to feed my addiction and hide behind the excuses people like you make for them. You seem to think they can do as they damn well please because theyve got "issues".

For people with mental health issues that are not as a result of any self harm then they have my full empathy, but this notion of yours that everyone with issues has some heartbreaking back story is nonsense.

I was never an alcoholic by the way. Drink more than I should? Yes, as do most people, but never alcohol dependant.

[J R Hartley]

If you want to keep doing this Sludge, start a thread in the alternative forum. Im not having this argument with you across multiple threads like you did with Dembe.

[tell it like it is]

Wonder if media and plebs will conveniently fail to understand Macron's slogan, which translates as ""save lives, stay cautious".

WHAT DOES CAUTIOUS MEAN???????????

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

[QUOTE=J R Hartley;5075771]Question my lifestyle as much as you want, I havent forgotten my demons, they very much live with me but I take full ownership for my own issues. I dont need an apologist like you telling me its an illness and to just do as I damn well please to feed my addiction as its not my fault. It is my fault, we have choices. I choose to take drugs, I choose to throw away thousands of pounds , no-one made me do it.

I was unwell long before the gambling addiction took a grip. Been taking anti depressents for 13 years. In some respects they didnt help with the gambling as they make you not give a shit, living in a bubble, hence why I tried to come off them too quickly last year and ended up having a breakdown, didnt taper long enough.

And yes I will have an opinion on junkies because I didnt rob and threaten others to feed my addiction and hide behind the excuses people like you make for them. You seem to think they can do as they damn well please because theyve got "issues".

For people with mental health issues that are not as a result of any self harm then they have my full empathy, but this notion of yours that everyone with issues has some heartbreaking back story is nonsense.

I was never an alcoholic by the way. Drink more than I should?


Either you have had mental health problems that have required medical help , or you havnt

Either you have had gambling problems that have required specialist help , or you havnt

Either you accept addiction is an illness or you dont

I personally think you should get some therapy as despite having experienced , so you say , addiction and mental health problems , you have very little empathy for those still do .

I am off to look at pictures of men in black leather playing guitars

I think I am addicted

[J R Hartley]

Either you have had mental health problems that have required medical help , or you havnt

Either you have had gambling problems that have required specialist help , or you havnt

Either you accept addiction is an illness or you dont

I personally think you should get some therapy as despite having experienced , so you say , addiction and mental health problems , you have very little empathy for those still do .

I am off to look at pictures of men in black leather playing guitars

I think I am addicted

Mock all you like, I dont need to justify anything to you Sludge. Junkie apologist.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I dont need to justify anything to you and your mental health elitsm, Sludge.

Men in black leather? Bit old for you, Rolf. I thought you preffered them younger.

Oh there we go the paedophile gag

I think that sums you up

You definitely have psychological issues and you clearly havnt dealt with the ones you already had if that's your response

I shall depart now , you clearly have some deep seated stuff to work on

Good luck

[J R Hartley]

Oh there we go the paedophile gag

I think that sums you up

You definitely have psychological issues and you clearly havnt dealt with the ones you already had if that's your response

I shall depart now , you clearly have some deep seated stuff to work on

Good luck

Perhaps you should deal with yours before you start lecturing others. Just remember to share some of the blame.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Mock all you like, I dont need to justify anything to you Sludge. Junkie apologist.

I dont care wether you try to justify yourself or not , you are hypocrite , calling out junkies when you have used illegal substances yourself in the past .

13 steps programme is what you need

[J R Hartley]

I dont care wether you try to justify yourself or not , you are hypocrite , calling out junkies when you have used illegal substances yourself in the past .

13 steps programme is what you need

Yep, and Ill continue to call them out if you / they keep blaming everyone but themselves for their choices.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Perhaps you should deal with yours before you start lecturing others. Just remember to share some of the blame.

You are in denial , you think you have sorted yourself out yet deflect your problems away by focusing on junkies , forgetting you have had addiction problems all of your own .

It stands out like a sore thumb

Good luck

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Yep, and Ill continue to call them out if you / they keep blaming everyone but themselves for their choices.

I am petrified

[J R Hartley]

You are in denial , you think you have sorted yourself out yet deflect your problems away by focusing on junkies , forgetting you have had addiction problems all of your own .

It stands out like a sore thumb

Good luck

I thought you was off? Rattled again and cant let go without trying to have the last word. No wonder you clashed with Dembe so much.

[Tuerto]

Mock all you like, I dont need to justify anything to you Sludge. Junkie apologist.

You'd like a bloke named Peter Hitchens, writes for The Mail On Sunday, he says exactly what you're saying, He doesn't think addiction is an illness and it's down to the individual, they have choices. I can't stand him, he pontificates way to much for me. Look him up if you already haven't.

[J R Hartley]

You'd like a bloke named Peter Hitchens, writes for The Mail On Sunday, he says exactly what you're saying, He doesn't think addiction is an illness and it's down to the individual, they have choices. I can't stand him, he pontificates way to much for me. Look him up if you already haven't.

Nah, youre alright, im washing my hair today.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I thought you was off? Rattled again and cant let go without trying to have the last word. No wonder you clashed with Dembe so much.

I clashed with him because he called me a paedophile on a public forum , as you have . He apologised eventually . But you carry on if you want to and we will see where things take us .

[J R Hartley]

I clashed with him because he called me a paedophile on a public forum , as you have . He apologised eventually . But you carry on if you want to and we will see where things take us .

I am petrified

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You'd like a bloke named Peter Hitchens, writes for The Mail On Sunday, he says exactly what you're saying, He doesn't think addiction is an illness and it's down to the individual, they have choices. I can't stand him, he pontificates way to much for me. Look him up if you already haven't.

Yes hes a complete arsehole to be fair .