Golf clubs reopening in Wales

[The Lone Gunman]

I wish I’d never mentioned golf now.

[tricks]

A long thread which I’ve only scanned, and appreciate there are wider discussions. But, on golf, I live in Stockport and played last Wednesday and Saturday. My club had the nifty flagpole sleeves and they were great. 2 balls only and no comp. Clubhouse and pro shop shut. One way systems around the car park. Overall a good start and it felt safe. You just have to be careful, it is easy to do the wrong thing on autopilot.

[Heisenberg]

Here he goes again, Drakefords pa. I haven’t seen evidence that kids can get it, in fact with all the talk of football starting I see there is 1 in a million chance of an under 30 dying of covid, one in 10 million under 10 was it?

No evidence formally presented yet, it would be very early for that. But there has been a study sponsored by the Royal College of Paediatricians (although at the moment published via a blog) which cannot identify a single case of a child under 10 passing the virus on.

It seems to be a large study of thousands of cases across China and Europe. One example used in the media is the child of the first UK case, who had been in close contact with almost 200 people. Many had caught a common cold from him but none caught Covid, despite Covid being more contagious .

It is obviously too early to be sure, and more research is needed, but Switzerland are acting on it and allowing children close contact with grandparents.

If young kids could go to school and see family members at some point before too long, without increasing the risk of transfer, it would be massive for people and an economic boost.

Also the fuss I was referring to was getting the schools ready, not catching the virus. You talk about the death rate being so bad but it’s not here in Cardiff County is it? 200 altogether, half of which were in care homes, so 100 people In the community out of what 600,000?
100 isn’t good but no doubt more have died from other factors in the last 8 weeks.

Dont think boris has done that well either to be honest, we lockdown too late but most people didn’t give a shit a few months ago did they. New territory

Drakeford's PA Just calling you out for slagging him off and not Boris for the exact same shit. Even when you attempted to criticise him just then you had a caveat of "but most people didn't give a shit a few months ago did they. New territory".

Yes, goats. I get what you were saying about the "fuss"... And don't you think there is more "fuss" here in the UK due to the fact that the death rate here is 60x higher than in Denmark.

Where you said "If young kids could go to school and see family members at some point before too long, without increasing the risk of transfer, it would be massive for people and an economic boost" I think that's a lovely sentiment and one which everyone would be on your side with... But you did say "without increasing the risk of transfer" which is what the concern would be. If there wasn't a concern about increasing the risk of transfer between people, we'd be in the ****ing pubs right now... Not social distancing in parks.

I thought I'd save your most poignant and incorrect theory for last... "I haven't seen evidence that kids can get it". What evidence do you need for you to believe it? I mean, Google "coronavirus deaths children" and it will come up with all of the evidence you should need.

Here's a good source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6914e4_w

The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention released the study on Monday, which looked at more than 2,500 coronavirus cases among children younger than 18 in the US between February 12 and April 2. That's the largest research sample of children with the coronavirus to date.

...147 of the patients in the new CDC study were hospitalized, with five sent to intensive care. Three children died.

You can argue whether or not children are at a greater risk than adults but you can't argue that they can't get it at all. You also can't argue that it's asymptomatic in all children and you can't even argue that it doesn't potentially lead to death in children.

Regards,

The Office of Mark Drakeford

[life on mars]

Here he goes again, Drakefords pa. I haven’t seen evidence that kids can get it, in fact with all the talk of football starting I see there is 1 in a million chance of an under 30 dying of covid, one in 10 million under 10 was it?

No evidence formally presented yet, it would be very early for that. But there has been a study sponsored by the Royal College of Paediatricians (although at the moment published via a blog) which cannot identify a single case of a child under 10 passing the virus on.

It seems to be a large study of thousands of cases across China and Europe. One example used in the media is the child of the first UK case, who had been in close contact with almost 200 people. Many had caught a common cold from him but none caught Covid, despite Covid being more contagious .

It is obviously too early to be sure, and more research is needed, but Switzerland are acting on it and allowing children close contact with grandparents.

If young kids could go to school and see family members at some point before too long, without increasing the risk of transfer, it would be massive for people and an economic boost.

Also the fuss I was referring to was getting the schools ready, not catching the virus. You talk about the death rate being so bad but it’s not here in Cardiff County is it? 200 altogether, half of which were in care homes, so 100 people In the community out of what 600,000?
100 isn’t good but no doubt more have died from other factors in the last 8 weeks.

Dont think boris has done that well either to be honest, we lockdown too late but most people didn’t give a shit a few months ago did they. New territory

Hopefully the country will deal with Mr Drakeford in May, if he hasn't resigned by them ,the thought of him leading for another 4 years is a worry

[goats]

Hopefully the country will deal with Mr Drakeford in May, if he hasn't resigned by them ,the thought of him leading for another 4 years is a worry

Don’t tell his buddy on here that, he will hound you out. Open your eyes can’t you see how well he’s doing? So many people being tested and they put some traffic cones around the castle.....fantastic stuff.
His sidekick just waffled a load more guff too, really intriguing stuff to help one get off to sleep

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/e...hools-18280544

[Heisenberg]

Don’t tell his buddy on here that, he will hound you out. Open your eyes can’t you see how well he’s doing? So many people being tested and they put some traffic cones around the castle.....fantastic stuff.
His sidekick just waffled a load more guff too, really intriguing stuff to help one get off to sleep

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/e...hools-18280544

Not sure how you managed to type that whilst simultaneously bouncing on Boris' cock... But fair play, it's actually comprehesible - for you.

I've criticised Drakeford in a few threads, thank you. Not everyone is as one-eyed.

Also, goatf**ker, you disappeared from this thread when provided with sources of how children can get Covid...

Hopefully you now accept that children are still at risk and you will put your child's safety before the need to rush them back into a setting that increases that risk.

Welcome back, you absolute cretin... I missed you.

[CCFCC3PO]

Don’t tell his buddy on here that, he will hound you out. Open your eyes can’t you see how well he’s doing? So many people being tested and they put some traffic cones around the castle.....fantastic stuff.
His sidekick just waffled a load more guff too, really intriguing stuff to help one get off to sleep

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/e...hools-18280544

Instead of sounding like a spoilt schoolkid, why not tell us which parts of this article you disagree with and find offensive?

[Bluebina]

You sound like you want it both ways... You wanted them to follow Denmark's lead and then when I point out that they are looking at doing just that, you find fault with it.

Just admit that you won't be happy with any outcome in this unless it suits your personal needs and political stance and I'd respect you more for it.

The fact that you said that you don't think that kids can get or even carry the virus is worrying. It does explain your stance a lot more though.

From BBC: "Children have so far accounted for between 1% and 5% of diagnosed Covid-19 cases, have often milder disease than adults and deaths have been extremely rare," according to Prof Adilia Warris, a paediatric infectious diseases specialist at the University of Exeter.

I thought I sent a link to you to read what they are doing at the moment, but it looks like you had to click the link in the bottom of that page to access what I wanted you to see: click the first link on here https://gov.wales/decision-framework...-and-childcare

Just because teachers aren't cleaning the schools doesn't mean a lot of important things aren't happening to ensure that they can re-open when it's safe to do so. I think you're blinded by your dislike of Drakeford, to be honest, when he isn't even the person responsible for education.

What is just common sense is that the kids shouldn't go back just because it may effect their education a bit. Their safety is far more important and sorry to say it again, they can get Covid-19 and so can their teachers and other staff in their schools.

BBC had a very good expert on this morning, he put both sides of the argument and seemed very balanced.

He gave the impression that the benefits of having children in school outweighed the risks, and personally I agree with that view.

I wish I caught his name, he went on to say some people want the government to be able to say, there is no risk but that can't happen, he also said that more children die each year from seasonal flu than have so far died from covid 19. I found that hard to believe and haven't checked the facts, but if that's true it says a lot.

[Heisenberg]

BBC had a very good expert on this morning, he put both sides of the argument in a very simple way, from what he said, basically that from one study, two children had it and came into contact with 850 people and they only passed it on to two other children.

He gave the impression that the benefits of having children in school outweighed the risks, and personally I agree with that view.

I wish I caught his name, he went on to say some people want the government to be able to say, there is no risk but that can't happen, he also said that more children die each year from seasonal flu than have so far died from covid 19.

What BBC programme was he on? I'm always happy to learn more about the subject.

It would be definitely be interesting to read more about that study and how they managed to work out what the expert has said happened... Especially as there's more than enough conflicting reports from other experts to say that schools shouldn't be reopened until they have evidence that it would be safe to do so.

I know the guy you're referring to is an expert, but he's not helping his argument comparing deaths to seasonal flu, is he? It's completely irrelevant because of lockdown. We don't do that for seasonal flu as everyone is aware.

We don't know how many children would/could have died if we didn't have social distancing measures in place now and it's reopening the schools before the risks have been mitigated greatly that could provide us with that answer.

Still... I'd be interested in hearing the guy speak and reading about the study as it could change my opinion.

[goats]

BBC had a very good expert on this morning, he put both sides of the argument and seemed very balanced.

He gave the impression that the benefits of having children in school outweighed the risks, and personally I agree with that view.

I wish I caught his name, he went on to say some people want the government to be able to say, there is no risk but that can't happen, he also said that more children die each year from seasonal flu than have so far died from covid 19. I found that hard to believe and haven't checked the facts, but if that's true it says a lot.

Have a look how many people died of flu in 2015 or 2017 maybe? Never even made news. Nor does the amount of people that die from malaria for ie.

[Croesy Blue]

Because those people are dying every year and aren’t overwhelming the NHS without social distancing. Whereas this year there has been 40,000 excess deaths just in the U.K. in under 2 months while there has been a lockdown.

[lardy]

Have a look how many people died of flu in 2015 or 2017 maybe? Never even made news. Nor does the amount of people that die from malaria for ie.

Yes, look at the ANNUAL flu death figures and compare them with two months of covid deaths.

How many malaria deaths in the UK every year?

[Croesy Blue]

Yes, look at the ANNUAL flu death figures and compare them with two months of covid deaths.

How many malaria deaths in the UK every year?

It’s mad it’s like he’s missed every single bit of news on this and every discussion for the last 2 months.

[goats]

It’s mad it’s like he’s missed every single bit of news on this and every discussion for the last 2 months.

Might aswell of when four or five posters just throw political handbags at each other for 30 pages boring everyone to death

[goats]

Yes, look at the ANNUAL flu death figures and compare them with two months of covid deaths.

How many malaria deaths in the UK every year?

No malaria deaths here of course, we don’t care coz it’s somewhere else

[lardy]

No malaria deaths here of course, we don’t care coz it’s somewhere else

You've got the internet. If you want to know malaria death numbers then you can find out.

But I expect you have never once looked in your life, have you?

[Croesy Blue]

No malaria deaths here of course, we don’t care coz it’s somewhere else

It makes sense to care more about how you react to a disease when you can actually get it in fairness.

[Croesy Blue]

Might aswell of when four or five posters just throw political handbags at each other for 30 pages boring everyone to death

What about watching the news or reading a newspaper? Maybe you wouldn't be posting the nonsense about flu if you had.

[xsnaggle]

It makes sense to care more about how you react to a disease when you can actually get it in fairness.

Without looking I think its about 1,600,000 a year, (I was reading about it a little while ago lol) mainly in Bangladesh and surrounding areas. There is a vaccine but apparently a lot of the people won't take it. It seems crazy that there is something to prevent a disease and people won't take it, but I suppose you only have to look at the measles jab uptake in UK.

[goats]

Without looking I think its about 1,600,000 a year, (I was reading about it a little while ago lol) mainly in Bangladesh and surrounding areas. There is a vaccine but apparently a lot of the people won't take it. It seems crazy that there is something to prevent a disease and people won't take it, but I suppose you only have to look at the measles jab uptake in UK.

Yes I know...I’ve spent much time travelling around India and south east Asia so I know exactly but don’t spoil the numpty’s fun.
Yes I know covid is bad, yes I have young children, yes I’ve spent time in hospital with one who had breathing issues on several occasions from a viral induced wheeze and it’s scary. Most commenting won’t have been or seen there kids in this situ, on oxygen and steroids. Yet I’m clueless....

[Croesy Blue]

Yes I know...I’ve spent much time travelling around India and south east Asia so I know exactly but don’t spoil the numpty’s fun.
Yes I know covid is bad, yes I have young children, yes I’ve spent time in hospital with one who had breathing issues on several occasions from a viral induced wheeze and it’s scary. Most commenting won’t have been or seen there kids in this situ, on oxygen and steroids. Yet I’m clueless....

No one is saying you're clueless, but comparing covid to the flu isn't right.

I don't really understand the comparisson with malaria if I'm honest.

There have been 40,000 excess deaths in the UK within 2 months despite their being a lockdown. That's why the next moves have to be careful because otherwise it could all get worse again.

[lardy]

Yes I know...I’ve spent much time travelling around India and south east Asia so I know exactly but don’t spoil the numpty’s fun.
Yes I know covid is bad, yes I have young children, yes I’ve spent time in hospital with one who had breathing issues on several occasions from a viral induced wheeze and it’s scary. Most commenting won’t have been or seen there kids in this situ, on oxygen and steroids. Yet I’m clueless....

As you seem to be implying I'm a numpty, what did you mean above when you said "for ie"?

[Heisenberg]

As you seem to be implying I'm a numpty, what did you mean above when you said "for ie"?

He used 'ie' to mean "for example" to try to be clever, I guess... but that's not what it means, as you already know.

After reading goats' more recent contributions to this thread, I have changed my opinion on the subject of prioritising education over safety.