Been looking for a motorbike for back and fore work and found one in Bridgewater. I know theres restrictions but i'm wondering has anyone else been over the bridge into england without being stopped etc?
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Been looking for a motorbike for back and fore work and found one in Bridgewater. I know theres restrictions but i'm wondering has anyone else been over the bridge into england without being stopped etc?
I asked a similar question. i don't think they will stop you leaving but on the way back they Gwent Police could theoretically stop you for an unnecessary journey in Wales I think. Which is plainly stupid!Originally Posted by stan butler
I didn't get an opinion on my question yet, but mine was only hypothetical.
I don't think they can stop you, how would they enforce it? The plod can fine you. Problem is that constitutionally, the police don't have a leg to stand on, same with lots of things that people are getting away with.
I can't supply you with an answer but Bridgwater (note the spelling if using a Satnav) is 11 miles from me.
I collected a van from Bridgwater myself on Tuesday but cycled there.
Could be stopped but must be very unlikely given some people would still have been travelling to England for work at the height of the lockdown, let alone now.
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i,ve had a letter from my employer just in case i get stopped for the last 8 weeks . Haven't been stopped yet
Not seen any Heddlu yet! I've just been following the tens of other cars sneaking passed the check-point at Staunton!
I was thinking about coming back rather than going. If the bill wanted to be difficult once you are in Wales say just over the bridge and the stop you. They know you live in Cardiff so they can nick you for an unnecessary journey, no essential and not local. It just depends how determined Mr Drakeford is to keep us locked up.
Why to you have to go to England, if you don't mind me asking? And where are you heading to?
Its none of you business, but if you'd read things you'd know it was hypothetical.
Yes, just playing. Glad you enjoyed it. At least you read that lol
Spat my tea out!
Yes, just playing. Glad you enjoyed it. At least you read that lolSpat my tea out!
But now we've had a laugh will you add something constructive?
Go on, you know you want to!!
Yes, I will point out the advice is to stay at home in Wales. Is that constructive enough for you?
That was my point. If a person drives to e.g. Weston to go to the beach he probably would not get stopped leaving Wales but may be when he re-enters for making an unnecessary journey, even though it was allowable before he crossed the border. Just living in the wrong place at the wrong time perhaps
The rules differ in England compared to Wales, the rules are more relaxed in England which is causing concern in the North where infections are rising. It's not ideal, Starmer is calling for a 4 nation approach which seems completely logical to me. Until then, I have come to terms with the fact that lockdown rules are less restrictive in England than they are in Wales. Similarly, the rules in Germany are even less restrictive than in England. I live in Wales, so they are the guidelines I will follow, even though those guidelines are messy. Saying that, the guidelines in England are equally complex. Johnson is said to be a "great communicator", but that appears to be in a fist pumping environment. Every time the buffoon has opened his mouth, we have needed him to come back to offer clarity on what he has said previously.
Well said, completely agree.
I understand that the guidance is different in Wales and England, but what is the difference in law that allows the police to fine someone in Wales for breach, but not in England?
I'm not quite sure but I understand that in wales the police could fine a person for making an unnecessary journey (as long as its not to a garden centre or a golf club) and going further than 'Local', whatever the definition of that is, but now things are relaxed in England people can drive to parks beaches etc without let or hindrance.
So in theory one could drive over the bridge, go to the beach at Weston or somewhere. you may get stopped leaving but probably are more likely to get stopped entering Wales again, if at all. When you tell them what you have been doing the Police could fine you for making an unnecessary journey in Wales. It's silly.
Not really, as your trip to England is part of the same journey, therefore unnecessary in the eyes of the law in wales as you're doing part of that journey in Wales. I think that that some of the people crying about this just hate the devolved Government in Wales.
That is apparent in their abuse of Drakeford for having different rules to Johnson. Strangely. Drakeford is a pariah for having a different set of rules to Johnson, but Johnson is completely correct for having rules that differ from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
It's both an anti-Senedd thing (as per the ad hominem attacks on Drakeford), and a Party Political stance (Tories Good, Labour Bad).
I've never voted for one single party - it seems completely ridiculous to label yourself a Labour voter when Labour in 2022 will be much different from Labour in 2019, which was completely alien compared to Labour in 1997.
We have 4 leaders, and very little leadership if truth is known. We have, globally, adopted populist leaders from Trump in the West to Duterte in the East, and all the people in between. In normal times, these leaders would have been disastrous, now it is completely ludicrous.
But, instead of attacking the crazy guidelines with their contradictory advisories (essential journeys, but can go to B&Q for paint, can buy clothes in Asda, but not in Next) - people are hell bent on following the tribalism of politics that has left us all in a completely unprepared position globally to look at long term issues (global warming, pandemics, earthquakes etc) as we blindly follow leaders whose only goal is to have 4 years crafting rules to suit their post political career.
I'm a Labour Party member but would've preferred cross nation guidlines, it would be so much easier to govern. There is so much Cross Border movement and commerce, it would've made complete sense. I'm a bit confused over the shopping thing, Do Next, Primark etc have to close? If not, then it seems ridiculous under the current circumstances that they are shut. Personally, i don't think it's a bad thing if it protects workers in these places, although it does seem like a massive contradiction if you can browse the same products in a supermarket.
the differences are silly but as things are changing in different areas at different speeds you may get localised variations. I said in a thread weeks ago that if (as I suspected then) it was lifted more slowly in Wales than in England that there would be a back lash and everyone told me it would be the other way around and I was wrong.
now they are saying there will be no change at all until the end of this 3 week period and then only "Modest" changes. I think its a recipe for complete ignoring of the rules. Whether that is right or wrong is a different matter.
with regard ot the political aspect I read in other places that some thought that the devolved heads deliberately spoke bfeore the PM so as to gazzump him if you will. Then there were things in papers with comments about Johnson being out of step, whereas in reality, like it or not, the Westminster government is the government of the whole of UK. many people berate what johnson says and conveniently ignore the fact that what he says does not affect us, but when the Welsh government says something it's OK. I think both should be held to account because they have both proved their incompetence in this. But what Drakeford says affects us directly so he is the man we should be holding to account most.
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