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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Does that shit from both sides mean she actually might be doing it right?
    I am completely apolitical in the way I vote. I can even break it down by election.

    97 Labour (Blair)
    01 Lib Dem
    05 Plaid
    10 Lab (Brown)
    15 Plaid
    17 Lib Dem
    19 Plaid

    All this in a safe Labour seat.

    Saying Kuenssberg is biased is giving her too much credit. She is completely hopeless. She tweeted about Johnson "cancelling a speech on police advice". She didn't elaborate. Basically, there were 4 protesters there! That's why he cancelled.

    Also, during the election, she made a comment about Tory policy being a shopping list of promises, compared to Labour's fantasy list. She isn't employed to pass on her opinions, she is employed to report, to question, to hold politicians to account. It is ludicrous that Johnson was more fearful of the right-wing Neil than the political correspondent Kuenssberg. She is awful, and I say that from the position of having no party affiliations, but as someone who watches her reports to get information, but getting very little other than photos of Johnson walking in the park.

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    spokesperson for Durham Constabulary said: "On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware of reports that an individual had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city."

    5 April - Cummings is spotted outside his parents’ property by a neighbour.
    He was there for nearly a week..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    He’ll wriggle for a fortnight, but the pressure will build up and he will go over this.
    I say "no chance". He should have gone for the comments attributed to him on herd immunity. He didn't. In fact, it's rarely mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but the way the article read to me as that Mrs Cummings and son were already in Durham and he drove there to be with them. She says, 'would have to come home' like my Mrs used to say 'when are you coming home' when I worked away.
    He drove to Durham to care for her I understood, which most men would tend to do for their wife.
    Whether that was right or wrong is another matter.
    So in this version, first Cummings' wife who had Covid drove their son, who did not to stay with Cummings' parents in Durham then as soon as Cummings discovered that he had the symptoms instead of isolating in London he drove to Durham so that they could all be together.

    That sounds much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    'from London to Durham with his sick wife'
    It doesn't say that. The article is written in the first person and makes no reference to her travelling anywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    So in this version, first Cummings' wife who had Covid drove their son, who did not to stay with Cummings' parents in Durham then as soon as Cummings discovered that he had the symptoms instead of isolating in London he drove to Durham so that they could all be together.

    That sounds much better.
    I'm sorry, you lost me completely there. Where does it say she drove anywhere? In my post i didn't seek to defend anyone or anything, i merely commented on what was in the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I'm sorry, you lost me completely there. Where does it say she drove anywhere? In my post i didn't seek to defend anyone or anything, i merely commented on what was in the article.
    I guess she must have teleported to Durham. The Spectator piece is written as a post-event justification of their actions. The only place mentioned is London and the only people involved in their recovery were themselves. Still if you want to believe that she was already in Durham that is your right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    She's a senior political journalist. It's her job to build relationships with people government and in opposition, and to report what they are doing, saying and thinking.

    The criticism of Kuenessberg makes me laugh. Every Labour supporter I know thinks she's heavily biased in favour of the Tories, while everyone I know who opposes Labour thinks she's a screaming leftie. It's ridiculous. It seems that opinions of her journalism are determined solely by which side of political spectrum you're on rather than what she actually writes or reports.
    It's actually based on the fact she is a well known tory sympathiser

    It's an open secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    She's a senior political journalist. It's her job to build relationships with people government and in opposition, and to report what they are doing, saying and thinking.

    The criticism of Kuenessberg makes me laugh. Every Labour supporter I know thinks she's heavily biased in favour of the Tories, while everyone I know who opposes Labour thinks she's a screaming leftie. It's ridiculous. It seems that opinions of her journalism are determined solely by which side of political spectrum you're on rather than what she actually writes or reports.
    She gets a huge amount of criticism, not all of it fair I agree, and some of it is clearly derived from misogyny. But a lot of it is also fair, and she deserves to be called out for stuff like this.

    The source she mentions was undoubtedly someone in Government, (let's be honest, probably Cummings himself) so instead if issuing a comment on the story their first act was to feed her a line which she then parrotted in direct reply to the initial story. She's the BBC's political editor, her job is not to directly rebut another journalist's story with lines from unnamed sources within the Government. It's not proper, decent or remotely common journalistic practice, especially from someone in her position.

    Her issuing the rebuttal is the work of PR people and spin doctors, and she's got previous - remember when she spread that Matt Hancock's adviser had been punched outside Leeds Hospital during the election, thanks again to her "unnamed sources", and had to swiftly retract when it became obvious that there was video footage of the incident which showed that absolutely nothing of the sort happened? She's either wilfully compliant in being used to propagate spin for the Tories or she's hopelessly naive. Neither is a good look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I guess she must have teleported to Durham. The Spectator piece is written as a post-event justification of their actions. The only place mentioned is London and the only people involved in their recovery were themselves. Still if you want to believe that she was already in Durham that is your right.
    Another example of people jumping in without checking. I have never referred to an article in the guardian any other daily or the BBC, so your outrage at my opinion is entirely wasted.
    My comment was a direct reply to an article posted by TOBW and if you bother to actually read it before you start typing again you may see what I meant. I haven't read any other articles. I only read that one because he referenced it and I clicked on the link. and - - as i said--- whatever the truth Cummings' actions were, at best, questionable.
    So why don't you hilts and the others that said I was wrong in my understanding of the article actually go and read it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I wasn't talking to you, hence the fact that I didn't quote you. I don't know if you're a Tory or not. All I know for sure is you're a gibbering idiot.
    At least I'm not as sanctimonious as you ,with your morally superior stance .

    Be safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    She gets a huge amount of criticism, not all of it fair I agree, and some of it is clearly derived from misogyny. But a lot of it is also fair, and she deserves to be called out for stuff like this.

    The source she mentions was undoubtedly someone in Government, (let's be honest, probably Cummings himself) so instead if issuing a comment on the story their first act was to feed her a line which she then parrotted in direct reply to the initial story. She's the BBC's political editor, her job is not to directly rebut another journalist's story with lines from unnamed sources within the Government. It's not proper, decent or remotely common journalistic practice, especially from someone in her position.

    Her issuing the rebuttal is the work of PR people and spin doctors, and she's got previous - remember when she spread that Matt Hancock's adviser had been punched outside Leeds Hospital during the election, thanks again to her "unnamed sources", and had to swiftly retract when it became obvious that there was video footage of the incident which showed that absolutely nothing of the sort happened? She's either wilfully compliant in being used to propagate spin for the Tories or she's hopelessly naive. Neither is a good look.
    She's not very intelligent. Am I allowed to say this without being accused of being a misogynist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    At least I'm not as sanctimonious as you ,with your morally superior stance .
    Indeed. You may be a gibbering idiot, but at least you're not a sanctimonious, gibbering idiot.

    That's a relief.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    It's actually based on the fact she is a well known tory sympathiser

    It's an open secret
    yep it certainty is , she clever though , plays pretense and chucks out the odd criticism of the Tories . I notice at the press briefings they go to her first and , old Boris always call her Laura in a friendly way smug way ,think she secretly has the hots for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    She gets a huge amount of criticism, not all of it fair I agree, and some of it is clearly derived from misogyny. But a lot of it is also fair, and she deserves to be called out for stuff like this.

    The source she mentions was undoubtedly someone in Government, (let's be honest, probably Cummings himself) so instead if issuing a comment on the story their first act was to feed her a line which she then parrotted in direct reply to the initial story. She's the BBC's political editor, her job is not to directly rebut another journalist's story with lines from unnamed sources within the Government. It's not proper, decent or remotely common journalistic practice, especially from someone in her position.

    Her issuing the rebuttal is the work of PR people and spin doctors, and she's got previous - remember when she spread that Matt Hancock's adviser had been punched outside Leeds Hospital during the election, thanks again to her "unnamed sources", and had to swiftly retract when it became obvious that there was video footage of the incident which showed that absolutely nothing of the sort happened? She's either wilfully compliant in being used to propagate spin for the Tories or she's hopelessly naive. Neither is a good look.
    great reply and well observed ,you hit the nil on the head

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungry Blue View Post
    Is Stephen Kinnock still in a job?
    Yes - and Robert Jenrick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Another example of people jumping in without checking. I have never referred to an article in the guardian any other daily or the BBC, so your outrage at my opinion is entirely wasted.
    My comment was a direct reply to an article posted by TOBW and if you bother to actually read it before you start typing again you may see what I meant. I haven't read any other articles. I only read that one because he referenced it and I clicked on the link. and - - as i said--- whatever the truth Cummings' actions were, at best, questionable.
    So why don't you hilts and the others that said I was wrong in my understanding of the article actually go and read it?
    Yeah that's the one. As you are accusing someone of jumping in without checking then perhaps you can point to the bit where I mentioned the Guardian, any other daily or the BBC. We are both discussing the Spectator article written by Cummings' wife where you seem to think she may have already been in Durham and he drove there to be with them. Anything else is confusion on your part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Yeah that's the one. As you are accusing someone of jumping in without checking then perhaps you can point to the bit where I mentioned the Guardian, any other daily or the BBC. We are both discussing the Spectator article written by Cummings' wife where you seem to think she may have already been in Durham and he drove there to be with them. Anything else is confusion on your part.
    I read the article and can't see any reference to where she was. If there is something i missed it. What does it say about her being in London?
    I didn't mean you mentioned the Guardian article just that it had been mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Robert Jenrick did similar didnt he? Hes still a minister for a Government delivering these policies.

    Should he have resigned as a Minister. I think so. As an MP MP probably not.

    Cummings had covid symptoms.

    This is a different level.
    So there are different levels of breaking the rules? If you have symptoms or not you can have the virus.

    Kinnock should have resigned, Cummings too, and Vaughan Gethin

    And by the way, my neighbour had visitors for most of yesterday afternoon, and the couple at the back had their usual visit from their daughter and grandchild. What are we going to do about them.

    Seriously I don't blame them. I think we are at wits end with these restrictions

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    hers a couple we are saving dosh on in this lock down :

    The MP for Ross, Skye and Lochaber claimed £22,941.75 on accommodation, £31,742.82 on travel and subsistence, £36,603.24 on office costs, and £963.85, according to figures from IPSO and Daily Telegraph.

    IPSA said MPs serving as party leaders often have higher claims, while those who live further away from Westminster often have higher travel claims.

    Mr Blackford came in second to DUP MP Jim Shannon who claimed the highest expenses of any MP at

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I read the article and can't see any reference to where she was. If there is something i missed it. What does it say about her being in London?
    I didn't mean you mentioned the Guardian article just that it had been mentioned.
    After the uncertainty of the bug itself, we emerged from quarantine into the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown.

    Given what we now know this article looks more like an alibi rather than a truthful explanation of how they bravely fought the virus with only a 4 year old for company. It seems they emerged from quarantine then drove the 264 miles to the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown.

    As I say, if you wish to believe that his wife was already in Durham based on the truthfulness or otherwise of his wife's words then that is your right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    So there are different levels of breaking the rules? If you have symptoms or not you can have the virus.

    Kinnock should have resigned, Cummings too, and Vaughan Gethin

    And by the way, my neighbour had visitors for most of yesterday afternoon, and the couple at the back had their usual visit from their daughter and grandchild. What are we going to do about them.

    Seriously I don't blame them. I think we are at wits end with these restrictions
    And Drakeford.

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    This has become a very odd story now.

    I think the gov could have just admitted he was wrong and carried on business as usual but they have instead opted to bullshit their way through it and have now rallied the troops to double down on the bullshit.

    What Cummings did was unambiguously wrong and yet all the heavy hitters in the cabinet are coming out to bat for him and in turn endorsing an action that was clearly against the rules. It feels so unnecessary.

    Gets me thinking about his value and whether there is more to this than meets the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I read the article and can't see any reference to where she was. If there is something i missed it. What does it say about her being in London?
    I didn't mean you mentioned the Guardian article just that it had been mentioned.
    I thought there was something about it being his parents home and they stayed in a separate building? However, I accept that what you say about her being up there may be true, given how the Guardian article reads (though I must say that the bit about emerging from quarantine into London uncertainty in her article makes little sense if she was in Durham all the time), so, if she ever gets to read what I said about her, I apologise for getting it wrong. The Guardian article says he has a home in London though and at the end of March when we were just into lockdown that had to be his designated home if he was based in London, not whatever the place in Durham is/was. I'd have a bit more sympathy for what he did if he was going back to be with his family, but it's still worse than what others who chose to resign did if it is really as you claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    After the uncertainty of the bug itself, we emerged from quarantine into the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown.

    Given what we now know this article looks more like an alibi rather than a truthful explanation of how they bravely fought the virus with only a 4 year old for company. It seems they emerged from quarantine then drove the 264 miles to the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown.

    As I say, if you wish to believe that his wife was already in Durham based on the truthfulness or otherwise of his wife's words then that is your right.
    What I asked you was to show me where in that article there is any reference to her being in London, or anywhere else. All the comments to me have referred to her being in London but there is no reference to that in the article and the post by TOBW that I commented on.
    So people are just making assumptions about what I know or what I read. Or is it there in that article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    What I asked you was to show me where in that article there is any reference to her being in London, or anywhere else. All the comments to me have referred to her being in London but there is no reference to that in the article and the post by TOBW that I commented on.
    So people are just making assumptions about what I know or what I read. Or is it there in that article?
    The Guardian started asking No 10 about Cummings being sighted in Durham on 5th April and got blanked and subsequently.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-must-address

    On April 23rd his wife publishes an ambiguous article in the Spectator. Based on the fact that the article is not explicit about their actions you have read in the possibility that she was already in Durham. No-one seems to have a problem with you believing it though I am sure you will equally value my opinion that the article is post-event poppy-cock written in the knowledge that their actions were being investigated by the press.

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    Compare the Government Ministers(Gove, Raab and Sunak) responses to those of the resignation of Neil Ferguson (see article below) whose actions were nowhere near as irresponsible as Cummings. Hancock was "speechless" and Brokenshire said "it was an error of judgement and he was right to resign". The PM said that he was right to resign.

    Yes we know that there are people breaking the rules everyday like one poster's neighbours. The difference here is that Cummings is a Senior Special adviser, I think they are known as SPADs, to none other than the Prime Minister. He knew the rules better than most and was, in all probability the architect of "Stay Home;Save Lives Protect the NHS" (He likes a slogan does Cummings eg Let's take back control. Get Brexit done) Ferguson did the right thing. So should Cummings. Let's see what happens but there is already evidence of dual standards in play here.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-coronavirus

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I read the article and can't see any reference to where she was. If there is something i missed it. What does it say about her being in London?
    I didn't mean you mentioned the Guardian article just that it had been mentioned.
    From the spectator article that Mrs Cummings wrote (the one you keep referring to): "My husband did rush home to look after me".

    He rushed home to where?!They don't live in Durham and she makes no reference to it in the article, only London. It's complete fabrication of the facts.

    (I'm not "having a go" by the way )

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    Cummings is a ****ing unelected scumbag. One rule for him, another for us.... seems like borderline dictatorship

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