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    Dominic Cummings is to make a public statement this afternoon

    He will also take questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I don't think that's fair. There were technical issues (conveniently) and several of the most prominent journalists were not given an opportunity to follow up on questions that they had asked but which Johnson swerved. The whole thing was a farce.
    The only technical issue was the one from the BBC - the very first question - but he got a chance later on. I agree Johnson swerved some questions but that was because specific questions requiring a Yes or NO answer were not asked. It was indeed a farce. I'm looking forward to see Cummings in action. I've got a feeling that if questions get too probing he will tell the journalist to FO as he's as arrogant individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    The only technical issue was the one from the BBC - the very first question - but he got a chance later on. I agree Johnson swerved some questions but that was because specific questions requiring a Yes or NO answer were not asked. It was indeed a farce. I'm looking forward to see Cummings in action. I've got a feeling that if questions get too probing he will tell the journalist to FO as he's as arrogant individual.
    In his statement yesterday whilst defending DC, Boris said as a one liner that there were health issues that he did not want to elaborate on. Maybe we will hear more from DC this afternoon, but if he, his wife, or particularly his child have underlying health problems, that might go some way to explaining things

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    In his statement yesterday whilst defending DC, Boris said as a one liner that there were health issues that he did not want to elaborate on. Maybe we will hear more from DC this afternoon, but if he, his wife, or particularly his child have underlying health problems, that might go some way to explaining things
    How may thousands/millions of Britons have underlying health problems? There's no excuse for him and his wife to travel 250 miles whilst having coronavirus. He's Dominic Cummings FFS - I think his family might have been able to find some local support if they required it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    How may thousands/millions of Britons have underlying health problems? There's no excuse for him and his wife to travel 250 miles whilst having coronavirus. He's Dominic Cummings FFS - I think his family might have been able to find some local support if they required it.
    thats very bold of you,any view on the massed media outside hos us not observing 2 meter rule and the many 100's who ignored the government advise and probably infected a lot of unfortunate souls .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    thats very bold of you,any view on the massed media outside hos us not observing 2 meter rule and the many 100's who ignored the government advise and probably infected a lot of unfortunate souls .
    What's very bold of me?

    The "massed media" were just following the new guidelines, I guess - or maybe they were all from the same household?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    It's difficult to disagree with any of that. All seem pretty unanimous in their condemnation of Johnson.

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    Twitter was awash with rumours last night that Cummings' son is autistic and that is now somehow going to excuse his actions. As if it makes any difference whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Twitter was awash with rumours last night that Cummings' son is autistic and that is now somehow going to excuse his actions. As if it makes any difference whatsoever.
    do you have an autistic child

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    Heisenberg
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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    do you have an autistic child
    My friends do... And guess what - no travelling to Durham for them when the husband had symptoms and the wife didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    do you have an autistic child
    I do.

    What do you need to know, I can ring up my in laws for the answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    In his statement yesterday whilst defending DC, Boris said as a one liner that there were health issues that he did not want to elaborate on. Maybe we will hear more from DC this afternoon, but if he, his wife, or particularly his child have underlying health problems, that might go some way to explaining things
    Oh come on. If his child has underlying health conditions locking him in a car for a 260 mile journey with someone with coronavirus isnt the right thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    thats very bold of you,any view on the massed media outside hos us not observing 2 meter rule and the many 100's who ignored the government advise and probably infected a lot of unfortunate souls .
    They’re ****ing idiots and should be ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    do you have an autistic child
    Why would that make a difference?

    Some of the most bizarre arguments are being used to defend this. The weirdest use of whataboutism I’ve seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    My friends do... And guess what - no travelling to Durham for them when the husband had symptoms and the wife didn't.
    I see sense your smell for blood.

    Stay indoors

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    Heisenberg
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    Re: Don't do as I do, do as I say.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I see sense your smell for blood.

    Stay indoors
    You can "see sense" my smell for blood. Very impressive.

    Not sure what point you're trying to make in any of your posts tbh.

    You said it was "very bold of me" to say something in one of my posts and then asked if I had an autistic child... but the quote above is now your only response.

    What's up, LoM? Did you have an argument to make but it's fallen apart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    You can "see sense" my smell for blood. Very impressive.

    Not sure what point you're trying to make in any of your posts tbh.

    You said it was "very bold of me" to say something in one of my posts and then asked if I had an autistic child... but the quote above is now your only response.

    What's up, LoM? Did you have an argument to make but it's fallen apart?
    If it turns out that the family does have an autistic child, then it makes all the difference. Google the subject and see how difficult it can be for parents.

    Your comments are unnecessarily callous and insensitive

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    Heisenberg
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    Re: Don't do as I do, do as I say.

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    If it turns out that the family does have an autistic child, then it makes all the difference. Google the subject and see how difficult it can be for parents.

    Your comments are unnecessarily callous and insensitive
    Are you on a wind up?

    Having an autistic child does not excuse what they did in the slightest. That's not callous or insensitive at all.

    Thousands of families in the UK with autistic children (like the family I mentioned further up) will have been in the same position as the Cummings' and they were expected to abide by the rules.

    I do not need to Google the subject - thank you for your patronising remarks though. I have spent years with autistic adults and children in my personal and professional life and do you know the one major aspect of autism that I've learned from it all... routine is absolutely key.

    That's the last I'll say on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Are you on a wind up?

    Having an autistic child does not excuse what they did in the slightest. That's not callous or insensitive at all.

    Thousands of families in the UK with autistic children (like the family I mentioned further up) will have been in the same position as the Cummings' and they were expected to abide by the rules.

    I do not need to Google the subject - thank you for your patronising remarks though. I have spent years with autistic adults and children in my personal and professional life and do you know the one major aspect of autism that I've learned from it all... routine is absolutely key.

    That's the last I'll say on the matter.
    Im sure you will admit that knowing people with and working with autism professionally is very different to being the parents of a child with autism, or any other similar chronic disorder. They love the child and are with him/her 24/7

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    I don’t see how an autistic child is an excuse in the slightest tbh. He is a millionaire for a start there were numerous other options available to him.

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    Heisenberg
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    Great opinion piece in The Independent today from a father of two kids about how he and his wife managed childcare whilst having Covid during lockdown. Interesting that he emphasises the importance that structure has is in his autistic son's life too... I think I mentioned that somewhere but was immediately told that I wouldn't understand it.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9531376.html


    My wife and I were forced to look after two children while we both had coronavirus – because that's what the government told us to do

    Discomforting though it is, I find I have some things in common with Dominic Cummings.

    Like the prime minister’s sinister svengali, I’m a 48-year-old father whose wife came down with a nasty case of Covid-19 while I was sickening for it. Like him, I work full time and this left us faced with a potential crisis.

    According to Boris Johnson, instinct should have, at that point, kicked in. I should have ignored the rules, flipped off the country and driven the kids to their grandparents (one of whom lives a long way from London). Maybe taken a trip to a castle or local beauty spot. As you do.

    Perhaps I just have bad instincts. Perhaps I’m just a terrible father. That must be it, because my first instinct when my wife was sent home from the school at which she works with a cough that would have made a good sound effect in for a future horror flick, was to do the exact opposite of what Cummings did.

    We immediately locked down. We took the children out of school (still open at the time, wrongly in my view), which wasn’t at all easy because my son has autism and his school provides him with a structure he needs and relies upon.

    We urged their grandparents to steer clear. To Stay Home. Protect the NHS. Save Lives.

    That’s not least because, like Cummings must have done, I’d seen the graphs showing that the risk of fatality from Covid-19 rises exponentially as you get older. Unlike Cummings, there was no way I was prepared to put our relatives at risk to cope with a child care crisis.

    The only visitations since then have been via FaceTime and Skype.

    My mother told me this left her feeling “helpless”. She lives nearby and has jumped in before when we’ve found ourselves in tight spots. She knew that the situation we were faced with was going to be extremely difficult for me to manage. Unlike Cummings I have some fairly serious physical challenges, the result of a life-threatening road accident, not to mention type 1 diabetes, the result of a funky immune system that ate my insulin producing cells when I was two.

    What my wife’s illness underlined to me was just how much my she does around house; all the things that my battered body makes impossible, very difficult, or just plain dangerous for me to do. There were points where I nearly came a cropper through falls. But I’ve dealt with bruises before, and we kept on.

    Until the virus hit me.

    At that point there were two of us who could barely move. My wife was on the verge of hospitalisation, having tried to get up and help (the GP called back three times on that horrible day which will forever be etched into my memory).

    Yet still we stuck to the guidelines with the religiosity of cultists. We improvised. We used the microwave, boxes of cereal, calls to Pizza Hut.

    This does not make us special. Our story is not unique, nor even unusual. There are people who have had to cope with situations similar to ours while in small flats, even temporary accommodation. There are people who’ve endured worse. There are people who’ve had relatives die without the chance to say goodbye.

    You’ll probably have seen some of their stories.

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    I think there is a degree of mitigation if he has an autistic child but there is absolutely no mitigation in travelling 30 miles from Durham for a day out if indeed that happened. More at the 4pm Press Conference. Might he resign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    I think there is a degree of mitigation if he has an autistic child but there is absolutely no mitigation in travelling 30 miles from Durham for a day out if indeed that happened. More at the 4pm Press Conference. Might he resign?
    Absolutely no way will be resign. It'll be something like this.


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