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Thread: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

  1. #61

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I did read somewhere the other day that when workers are getting laid off after the furlough money stops that the unions will not stand for people who have been on furlough being laid off before those that worked through the crisis.
    I know your thoughts on it from what you posted on here.
    Any other time I wouldnít mind being made redundant tbh Iím looking to get out of a dying industry but obviously not ideal time for a career change. However, thereís no way Iíll get redundancy, Iíve already been asked off record for my opinion on who I think should be left go and was difficult to answer as thereís a lot of dead wood and shirkers in the office. The 4 ďworkersĒ are still working and probably one other is unlucky to be on furlough but the other 7 you could make a case for all of them to go. Plus, It will cost them too much to make me redundant anyway. Sadly, I think decisions are going to be made on how little it costs the business rather than their skill.

  2. #62

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    There are 'medical people' who say it's going to 'some time' before people can 'gather in small groups'.

    All a bit vague, isn't it? Who are these medical people? What is some time - days, weeks, months?

    No doubt the government will decide when football can restart. It restarted in Germany last weekend. It's restarting in Spain in a couple of weeks. It'll be restarting here in due course. But fear not, nobody will force you to watch it.
    Some medical people say other things over a month ago and they are looking strangely bang on.....

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ims-professor/

    We just have to get on like everyone did back in 1968 Asian flu was it? Think some people are living in a bizarre furlough bubble of sunshine and bbq.....

  3. #63

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Don’t have strong feelings but in your usual condescending manner demand answers from those who have a different opinion to you.
    Is he condescending is he? My I never noticed......

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Is he condescending is he? My I never noticed......
    Bitchy

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Any other time I wouldn’t mind being made redundant tbh I’m looking to get out of a dying industry but obviously not ideal time for a career change. However, there’s no way I’ll get redundancy, I’ve already been asked off record for my opinion on who I think should be left go and was difficult to answer as there’s a lot of dead wood and shirkers in the office. The 4 “workers” are still working and probably one other is unlucky to be on furlough but the other 7 you could make a case for all of them to go. Plus, It will cost them too much to make me redundant anyway. Sadly, I think decisions are going to be made on how little it costs the business rather than their skill.
    Three of my neighbours are on furlough - that is 3 in one house.

    One is at a builder's merchants. He has refused to go to work, even though his workplace is now open.
    His wife is self-employed, so that is pretty much that.
    The son works at a factory, but in the office. He refused to work from home so was furloughed.

    I am wfh - he knocks my door complaining because the gazebo we have up was blowing around in the wind. Conversation that happened over a safe distance - "You need to take that down" - "I'll do it later" - "It'll get damaged in the wind" - "I can't do it now" - "I'll help" - "Thanks, but it will not be possible to socially distance when doing it. I'll do it after I finish work" - "They won't know will they?" - "Probably not, but I'm getting paid to work for them, not on my garden" - "When do you finish then?" - "If the last week is anything to go by, 8-9 pm".

    This on top of a few other comments about how my house could do with a repaint, or the driveway has weeds "Plenty of time to fix that now" type comments.

    It's basically been visitor after visitor going to their house, barbecues in the back garden, a fully paid holiday. I agree with furlough, but some people are definitely taking the piss.

    Like you say, though, when redundancies happen (as they will at my place) - they will do it the cheapest way possible.

  6. #66

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Three of my neighbours are on furlough - that is 3 in one house.

    One is at a builder's merchants. He has refused to go to work, even though his workplace is now open.
    His wife is self-employed, so that is pretty much that.
    The son works at a factory, but in the office. He refused to work from home so was furloughed.

    I am wfh - he knocks my door complaining because the gazebo we have up was blowing around in the wind. Conversation that happened over a safe distance - "You need to take that down" - "I'll do it later" - "It'll get damaged in the wind" - "I can't do it now" - "I'll help" - "Thanks, but it will not be possible to socially distance when doing it. I'll do it after I finish work" - "They won't know will they?" - "Probably not, but I'm getting paid to work for them, not on my garden" - "When do you finish then?" - "If the last week is anything to go by, 8-9 pm".

    This on top of a few other comments about how my house could do with a repaint, or the driveway has weeds "Plenty of time to fix that now" type comments.

    It's basically been visitor after visitor going to their house, barbecues in the back garden, a fully paid holiday. I agree with furlough, but some people are definitely taking the piss.

    Like you say, though, when redundancies happen (as they will at my place) - they will do it the cheapest way possible.
    If thereís any justice people like that will be made redundant but Iíve always found chancers like that rarely get their commupence.

  7. #67

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    If there’s any justice people like that will be made redundant but I’ve always found chancers like that rarely get their commupence.
    Yeah, they probably know what they can get away with.

  8. #68

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    If there’s any justice people like that will be made redundant but I’ve always found chancers like that rarely get their commupence.
    You really want that bloke to lose his job? That's not going to benefit anyone.

  9. #69

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    By that logic letís all stay inside, no one from any industry should have to go to work.
    A very Welsh government approach

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    A very Welsh government approach
    And if a person doesn't want to go to work the government should continue to pay his wages. It's only reasonable?

  11. #71

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    You really want that bloke to lose his job? That's not going to benefit anyone.

    The truth is that once the furlough money dries up a lot of these companies will claim they can't pay wages anyway. That will lead to redundancies, and I think it is only fair that those who tried their hardest to keep working through this (like my neighbour's colleagues who are back to work) are not being made redundant at the expense of the ones who have ridden the system.

  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    The truth is that once the furlough money dries up a lot of these companies will claim they can't pay wages anyway. That will lead to redundancies, and I think it is only fair that those who tried their hardest to keep working through this (like my neighbour's colleagues who are back to work) are not being made redundant at the expense of the ones who have ridden the system.
    That's likely to happen, although it's going to be difficult to prove. Someone might have family with health problems or suffer with health problems themselves. Others may not feel safe to go back to work. Of course there will be those that have taken the piss. A word also to dodgy employers who may use this pandemic as a way of stripping back the work force and messing with pay and conditions, while those who keep their jobs become so grateful that they take it with a smile. Aint just employees who are going to pull a fast one.

  13. #73

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    There are 'medical people' who say it's going to 'some time' before people can 'gather in small groups'.

    All a bit vague, isn't it? Who are these medical people? What is some time - days, weeks, months?

    No doubt the government will decide when football can restart. It restarted in Germany last weekend. It's restarting in Spain in a couple of weeks. It'll be restarting here in due course. But fear not, nobody will force you to watch it.
    They can be as vague as they want as far as I am concerned . If a medical doctor with experience of virus control says ......its too early ......its too early . You carry on playing spandau ballet and Pete Murphy in your bedroom , I am sticking with sabbath

    Who's the daddy ?

  14. #74

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    And if a person doesn't want to go to work the government should continue to pay his wages. It's only reasonable?
    If the government and Employers can't guarantee a workers safety then they should make every effort to help them financially. There's an irony here in that some of the piss their pants tell tales who are so concerned about public safety and the spread of Covid that they spy on their neighbours are the ones who think that people should be rushed back into work.

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    If the government and Employers can't guarantee a workers safety then they should make every effort to help them financially. There's an irony here in that some of the piss their pants tell tales who are so concerned about public safety and the spread of Covid that they spy on their neighbours are the ones who think that people should be rushed back into work.
    But the point is that eventually furlough payments will cease. If someone doesn't think it is safe to go to work then should his company still pay him? Will he claim its not safe? Nothing in life is 100% safe except death.

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    But the point is that eventually furlough payments will cease. If someone doesn't think it is safe to go to work then should his company still pay him? Will he claim its not safe? Nothing in life is 100% safe except death.
    How is death safe?

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    But the point is that eventually furlough payments will cease. If someone doesn't think it is safe to go to work then should his company still pay him? Will he claim its not safe? Nothing in life is 100% safe except death.
    The company will need to make sure it is safe, or every precaution is met and the correct equipment is provided. I'm sure that there will be directive from the HSE and Unions although whether or not it'll be enforceable is another matter. I'm pretty sure that this fantastic government will have the correct directive in place before Furlough payments end!

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    How is death safe?
    Well no harm can come to you when you're dead can it?

  19. #79

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    How is death safe?
    If you're from Cardiff, you're 'Safe'

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    That's likely to happen, although it's going to be difficult to prove. Someone might have family with health problems or suffer with health problems themselves. Others may not feel safe to go back to work. Of course there will be those that have taken the piss. A word also to dodgy employers who may use this pandemic as a way of stripping back the work force and messing with pay and conditions, while those who keep their jobs become so grateful that they take it with a smile. Aint just employees who are going to pull a fast one.
    I agree. Some employers are also taking the piss, including football clubs run by billionaires furloughing their lowest paid staff because they can't work, whilst paying their most valuable staff a wage even though they can't work either.

    There are also some self-employed people taking the piss - some fiddle the books to avoid paying tax, and they will carry on doing that after a nice long holiday paid for by the taxpayer. I am sure that furlough has helped some people and maybe the people taking the piss are a small percentage (just like a small percentage take the piss out of the benefits system). As I say, my neighbours are being paid to stay home and socially distance. The exact opposite is happening, with people popping around their house every so often.

    I'm also getting a bit fed up of the sarky remarks about not using this lockdown period to do work around the house - the implication being I am a lazy sod. I don't have the luxury of having had 10 weeks off work, and nor do I want it.

  21. #81

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Well no harm can come to you when you're dead can it?
    I suppose not.

  22. #82

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    The company will need to make sure it is safe, or every precaution is met and the correct equipment is provided. I'm sure that there will be directive from the HSE and Unions although whether or not it'll be enforceable is another matter. I'm pretty sure that this fantastic government will have the correct directive in place before Furlough payments end!
    That is key - if the companies are not meeting HSE rules then people can legitimately refuse to work. Not sure they will retain furlough for that purpose though. Some companies may say it is too expensive to adopt the new rules and use that as an excuse to cut back the workforce too.

  23. #83

    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Donít have strong feelings but in your usual condescending manner demand answers from those who have a different opinion to you.
    how insecure are you pal? Someone asking a question isnít condescending.

  24. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Sorry, I thought you were talking about the rules in Wales, what with it being a Welsh-centric forum. In that case, you are right and xsnaggle is wrong - but he'll simply blame Drakeford.
    I wasnít aware they were that different tbh

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    how insecure are you pal? Someone asking a question isnít condescending.
    Reading this thread has made me think bringing the premier league back probably isnít a bad thing. If they can do it safely why not, I also wouldnít be against them just ended it and using average points though.

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    That's likely to happen, although it's going to be difficult to prove. Someone might have family with health problems or suffer with health problems themselves. Others may not feel safe to go back to work. Of course there will be those that have taken the piss. A word also to dodgy employers who may use this pandemic as a way of stripping back the work force and messing with pay and conditions, while those who keep their jobs become so grateful that they take it with a smile. Aint just employees who are going to pull a fast one.
    But the thing is the employer won't have to 'prove' anything. He can put the guy on statutory sick pay and then lay him off. I don't think sick pay is £2,500 a month.
    no one is going to condone a worker claiming "It's not safe" all the time. nothing in this world is 100% safe. we make risk assessments every minute of the day just walking down the street.

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Reading this thread has made me think bringing the premier league back probably isn’t a bad thing. If they can do it safely why not, I also wouldn’t be against them just ended it and using average points though.
    why did you you reply to / quote a post of your own ? ? ?

    did you forget something ? ? ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    why did you you reply to / quote a post of your own ? ? ?

    did you forget something ? ? ?
    Is it a big deal?

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    Re: Who do Leeds and indeed the rest of football think they are ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO View Post
    Is it a big deal?
    just a strange thing to do, maybe not in your world ? ? ?, but most of us dont need to quote our own posts and reply like another person

  30. #90

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    I was informed last week that RCT council has 1600 employees on the sick. I am not sure if that is true, if it is it means that they are all picking up full pay and not limited to the furlough scheme. Maybe the information I was told is wrong? Can they furlough staff if they were already on the sick? I would imagine some people would take advantage of the system.

    I do agree with some of the comments above, like we cannot stay like this forever. One chap on the tv the other day saying he has no money coming in as doesn't qualify for the furlough scheme and can't pay his bills. Mind you a lot of people may find their jobs will go after this crisis.

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