But it couldn't lock down until the UK did right?Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
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But it couldn't lock down until the UK did right?
Off the top of my head..it could have starting testing earlier, ( WHO was shouting test, test, test), It have quarantined all Wales residents whop arrived at UK airports, It could have isolated Care Homes, It could have been first in the queue for PPE.... Point is we decided to go along with a UK approach. Our decision, our responsibility
Crumbs off the table, hordes of old English immigrants have flooded the Welsh NHS and this is not really financially accounted for by the UK Government, we should have more money from the UK Government to deal with the white flight immigration crisis that causes a huge strain on our services.
So the Welsh Government have done worse than the U.K. government then?
Welsh rugby stopped the Wales v Scotland match the English led UK authorities wanted it played.
The 1984 Act includes provision to stop sports events. So the Senedd could have stopped it but didn't. Glad to see the WRU did
The English in the name of the UK stole our testing kits and PPE.
We didn’t care much but we aren’t elected into highest office to make these decisions.
The Tory party were told to close pubs, restaurants and schools at the start of February.
The start of lockdown was as half arsed as can be even at the start. People were told to maybe stay home but pubs, gyms and restaurants stayed open for another 2 weeks.
The English led Westminster Government pushed for herd immunity that seemed like something that could have come straight out of the Nazi playbook to me.
That was a myth which at the time was designed to sidetrack the Welsh and Scottish Governments from criticism. There was nothing preventing other nations' governments from obtaining their own PPE but at the time the international market was such that demand far exceeded supply so Wales and Scotland were happy to leave it to the UK government to purchase and organise the distribution and to take the flak.
As for testing, the Welsh Government simply abandoned the testing target of 9000 as it had failed to provide the infrastructure to deal with anything like that number; it had nothing to do with stealing tests. Later the Chief Executive of Public Health Wales claimed not to have been advised by the Welsh Government of that target despite the fact it had been widely reported in the media. A shambles if ever there was one.
On PPE, Mark Drakeford, revealed that his administration's pandemic stockpile had from 2016 onwards failed to contain a single protective gown but that was contradictory to a statement to the Senedd by Vaughan Gething, who was asked whether the stockpile contained gowns, visors, swabs and body bags. He stated: 'All of those items were available in our pandemic stock.'
In fairness to both the English and Welsh governments PPE has a shelf life of only between 3-6 months and stockpiling, the warehousing needed and the frequent replacement requirements was not financially viable given the rarity of pandemics. (Apparently a 3 month supply of PPE for the UK would require 5 acres of warehousing.) But, in answer to the above statement, there was no Welsh PPE for the English to steal and the abysmal record of the Welsh Government on testing had absolutely nothing to do with testing kits being stolen.
In the interest of balance, if Welsh PPE and testing kits were being stolen, please comment further. I would be fascinated to read that.
Let's face it all governments have questions to answer when this pandemic is over but I doubt whether the stealing of PPE and other equipment by the English will be one of them.
Agreed how can anyone say the U.K. government share the blame?!
We got in, they didn't, they pulled rank when they realised they had made a huge massive mistake.
They were all for that Nazi type policy known as herd immunity and were of that mind set, they realise they were out of step with the sentiment of their Celtic neighbours and most of the World and pinched our stuff in the name of the UK, when Englands population makes up nearly all of the UK.
Crumbs off the table.
So all the deaths in wales are due to the senedd and you place zero blame on the U.K. government?
let me turn it around. Are the Senedd responsible for any Covid deaths in England, Scotland or N Ireland?
Quick question... Currently, how big is the hole that you've been digging?
Not quite as big as your mouth
Sorry to have confused you with some facts.
No but the U.K. government is, the majority of them.
How can you think that’s a good come back you ****ing berk
Surely you understand that when it comes to healthcare the UK Gov ie Westminster can only speak for England, as they are only responsible for healthcare in England. The other home nations have taken on the responsibility in their own countriesNo but the U.K. government is, the majority of them.
How can you think that’s a good come back you ****ing berk
Or maybe you don't get it
I do get it and I also get that the reason we had such a high level of deaths has been because the lock down was brought in late and was poorly managed.
The Senedd have been shite. But I don't see how you can absolve the UK Government of any blame at all. It's making you look like a lunatic.
Countries that locked down early had the fewest deaths:
https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/06/...r-eu-countries
https://www.theguardian.com/business...9-league-table
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-toll-21992434
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/113948...mpared-europe/
https://www.ft.com/content/40fc8904-...c-ea3e48bbc034
Ive had a look at the newspaper references:
The Guardian got it right talking about England not the UK
Overall the papers said:
Not enough preparation...In Wales thats down to the Senedd, yep PPE etc
Slow on testing...............In Wales that's down to the Senedd, and we were worse in UK in getting our act together
Large sporting events taking place.....Only one in Wales which the Senedd could have stopped but didn't. The WRU did though
Schools remain open......In Wales that's down to the Senedd, they had the authority to shut them anytime
Airports Open .......As above, the Senedd could have shut the few that we have, but didn't
So the papers in their general way looked at the UK and UK Gov as if it is in charge of UK healthcare.
But all the things listed above when it comes to Wales healthcare are the responsibility of the Senedd, and they were found wanting.
So please stop giving me all this crap about blaming someone else. You'll be saying next that our schools are due to one this month because the UK gov said so. But no doubt you know that Education too has been devolved and is the responsibility of the Senedd
Still pretty f**king big then?
Yep, I’ve heard there is plenty of space in your head for the mouth to take up most of it
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