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  1. #1

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by ihatealiens2 View Post
    There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
    The 'Yellow Vest' protests?
    They were a regular feature of TV coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    The 'Yellow Vest' protests?
    They were a regular feature of TV coverage.
    I watched a lot of the Gilet Jaune live coverage on Ruptly because there was naff all on MSM at the time.

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by ihatealiens2 View Post
    There's been wall to wall TV coverage of the George Floyd protests for a week now. Yet there were also protests in France and some other countries for a year by the Gilet Jaune with tens of thousands protesting each weekend sometimes in the hundreds of thousands (high numbers injured and some deaths) ,yet virtually no TV coverage. Strange that innit? I wonder why?
    Yes many observers noted the lack of main stream coverage over the yellow vest riots, in this country and in many cases across the World including France.
    My guess is it was a populist uprising, not just left wing and the powers that be are right wing and they don't want to show right wing protests against right wing neoliberal capitalist Governments.
    They will show protests in Hong Kong against communist China mind you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Yes many observers noted the lack of main stream coverage over the yellow vest riots, in this country and in many cases across the World including France.
    My guess is it was a populist uprising, not just left wing and the powers that be are right wing and they don't want to show right wing protests against right wing neoliberal capitalist Governments.
    They will show protests in Hong Kong against communist China mind you.
    Many people would be surprised to hear there were 1900 injuries during the french protests including 24 eyes lost and five hands removed among other horrific injuries and even some deaths although there is some argument whether those deaths were directly attributed to the protests. I guess what I'm trying to say is that by comparison there is a huge disparity in TV coverage between the American and French protests and I am posing the question why that would be the case? Makes no sense to me. Which is why I now prefer to do my own research rather than watch distorted TV coverage.

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by ihatealiens2 View Post
    Many people would be surprised to hear there were 1900 injuries during the french protests including 24 eyes lost and five hands removed among other horrific injuries and even some deaths although there is some argument whether those deaths were directly attributed to the protests. I guess what I'm trying to say is that by comparison there is a huge disparity in TV coverage between the American and French protests and I am posing the question why that would be the case? Makes no sense to me. Which is why I now prefer to do my own research rather than watch distorted TV coverage.
    I think it's a cultural thing. How much news of any description (good or bad) do we see regarding our closest neighbours? Very little in respect of France, The Netherlands and Belgium. How many people in Dover know much about what is happening twenty miles away in Calais?

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by ihatealiens2 View Post
    Many people would be surprised to hear there were 1900 injuries during the french protests including 24 eyes lost and five hands removed among other horrific injuries and even some deaths although there is some argument whether those deaths were directly attributed to the protests. I guess what I'm trying to say is that by comparison there is a huge disparity in TV coverage between the American and French protests and I am posing the question why that would be the case? Makes no sense to me. Which is why I now prefer to do my own research rather than watch distorted TV coverage.
    Yes it's a very good question, I think the right wing run most Governments across the World, the media are mainly on the right and it doesn't sit well to have populist riots in a right wing country, unless the rioters are left wing then that could be spun that the rioters are baddies or if the rioters are protesting against a left wing Government then that can be protrayed as the rioters are persecuted.
    In America the rioters in the main are being protrayed as left wing (apparently there are right wing agitators in the mix causing trouble) so it's getting reported.

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Where are you getting your news?! It was on non stop, we even had the british far right start wear the same vests after it
    Lots of observers commented and articles were written about the lack of coverage of the French riots that it merited, it should have been wall to wall coverage for months, for some reason it was under reported and people are trying to work out why.

  8. #8

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    There's also the fact that civil rights movements should be huge news.

  9. #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    a) The Gilet Jaune protests were very well covered, please see this link as a breakdown of just some of the times they were featured in reports, with links to clips https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-vest-protests

    b) As you've said, the Black Lives Matter protests have been going on for 5 days, if you think they'll still be getting the same amount of coverage as they are now if they're still going on in a month then you've got a very poor understanding of how news cycles work, especially when it comes to things that happen outside of this country. Add to that they're mostly happening in the country we're culturally closest to and it doesn't really take anyone who's not a complete idiot to understand why it's leading the news at the moment.

    c) I'll tell you what is strange "innit", you've literally made something up - "virtually no TV coverage" - just so you can be negative about the BLM protests. But rather than saying that you don't like seeing those black people protest because you know that's not really a good look for you, you've tried to be clever and gone "yeah but what about this, isn't that interesting, I wonder why that is hmmm ehhhh?."

    d) Don't ever try to be clever again, it's gone awfully for you.
    I read the link as damning about the coverage, first of all they recognise a widely held view that there was a lack of coverage that is why they looked into it, secondly they don't seem to dispute the accusation of a lack of coverage, they say that certain news channels covered the story on certain days but that with respect to them misses the point that the situation merited far more coverage for far longer periods than actually happened, also I remember at the time from social media and some more obscure news outlets people talking about serious incidents that was not getting reported by the main stream media over here at all.

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    I read the link as damning about the coverage
    But of course you did, you're you. You're the type of person who can see someone saying there's been "virtually no tv coverage" and then be shown evidence of loads of tv coverage and say it proves that there was no virtually no tv coverage. Which is one of the many reason why it's pointless talking to you.

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    But of course you did, you're you. You're the type of person who can see someone saying there's been "virtually no tv coverage" and then be shown evidence of loads of tv coverage and say it proves that there was no virtually no tv coverage. Which is one of the many reason why it's pointless talking to you.
    I don't agree that there was virtually no tv coverage, but I don't think there was as much tv coverage as there should have been.

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Obviously I don't know what you're referring to, but are you sure it's genuine? There's a lot of old footage that is mislabelled and then does the rounds on social media.
    Worse than America (i know they have had deaths in America but in my book this is the worst violence I've seen, so bad people would not repost it).
    It seems like the Irish press aren't really covering it from comments, I can only think the Irish press don't want to cover it incase it encourages a race war or something (everything points to it being up to date and not fake).

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Worse than America (i know they have had deaths in America but in my book this is the worst violence I've seen, so bad people would not repost it).
    It seems like the Irish press aren't really covering it from comments, I can only think the Irish press don't want to cover it incase it encourages a race war or something (everything points to it being up to date and not fake).
    Well that's interesting, that a news story which has unbelievably been bigger for the last week than even covid-19 and there's a country which is suffering incredibly badly that is actually joined on to the UK, and yet the only sniff that I've heard of about this is trampie09 who swears by it.

    Can you provide a link, or has it all been mysteriously removed from the internet already so as not to inflame things more?

  14. #14

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Well that's interesting, that a news story which has unbelievably been bigger for the last week than even covid-19 and there's a country which is suffering incredibly badly that is actually joined on to the UK, and yet the only sniff that I've heard of about this is trampie09 who swears by it.

    Can you provide a link, or has it all been mysteriously removed from the internet already so as not to inflame things more?
    Just put in 'Irish boy stabbed' on twitter, it's horrific, the first thing I seen now looking for you is they have fuzzed out the boys face, that wasn't the case when I seen it yesterday it was covered in blood, lots of comments about the press not covering what was going on, that is only 1 instance, there was apparently 3 seperate incidents and 2 videos, the other video is a hell of a 'kicking', the language used is not good, slaves and all that I'm not revisiting either.

  15. #15

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Just put in 'Irish boy stabbed' on twitter, it's horrific, the first thing I seen now looking for you is they have fuzzed out the boys face, that wasn't the case when I seen it yesterday it was covered in blood, lots of comments about the press not covering what was going on, that is only 1 instance, there was apparently 3 seperate incidents and 2 videos, the other video is a hell of a 'kicking', the language used is not good, slaves and all that I'm not revisiting either.
    This one?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...t-1003815.html

  16. #16

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    Possibly, but it's a job to know from that as it's not really a report as such, just the Irish police asking for witnesses and any dash cam evidence to come forward and there has been more than one incident so who knows.

  17. #17

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Possibly, but it's a job to know from that as it's not really a report as such, just the Irish police asking for witnesses and any dash cam evidence to come forward and there has been more than one incident so who knows.
    Well I hope it's put your mind at rest that such instances are getting reported in the press.

  18. #18

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Well I hope it's put your mind at rest that such instances are getting reported in the press.
    Well you had not heard about it, I only heard about it off social media and there are loads and loads of comments on social media about a lack of reporting about these particular Irish incidents by the main stream media.
    I'm glad I can enlighten you to what is going on as you was clearly ignorant.

  19. #19

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Well you had not heard about, I only heard about it off social media and there are loads and loads of comments on social media about a lack of reporting about these particular Irish incidents by the main stream media.
    I'm glad I can enlighten you to what is going on as you was clearly ignorant.
    No I hadn't heard about it. Is that significant? I bet there's at least one or two other stories published in the press in the English speaking world that I also haven't heard about.

    "It seems like the Irish press aren't really covering it from comments"

    It seems like they are and maybe social media comments are not the best thing to go by

  20. #20

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    No I hadn't heard about it. Is that significant? I bet there's at least one or two other stories published in the press in the English speaking world that I also haven't heard about.

    "It seems like the Irish press aren't really covering it from comments"

    It seems like they are and maybe social media comments are not the best thing to go by
    Yes it is significant as it shows it was not getting reported to the levels it merited, there has been a few separate instances, if somebody can wade through what's genuine and what's fake, social media can be a good way to get news as the main broadcasters often have an agenda, look at the state broadcaster in Blighty for instance, pro Conservative, pro Israel, anti EU, pro Unionist, pro Monarchy, pro business over trade unions (don't take my word for it Welsh experts looked into them a few years ago and that is what they found, it was obvious and predictable to me but not to many as they have had the wool pulled over their eyes).

  21. #21

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Yes it is significant as it shows it was not getting reported to the levels it merited, there has been a few separate instances, if somebody can wade through what's genuine and what's fake, social media can be a good way to get news as the main broadcasters often have an agenda, look at the state broadcaster in Blighty for instance, pro Conservative, pro Israel, anti EU, pro Unionist, pro Monarchy, pro business over trade unions (don't take my word for it Welsh experts looked into them a few years ago and that is what they found, it was obvious and predictable to me but not to many as they have had the wool pulled over their eyes).
    It's not significant as I'm not a social media barometer, although it is truly lovely of you to think that. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    It's not significant as I'm not a social media barometer, although it is truly lovely of you to think that. Thank you.
    People that rely on the main stream media are easily manipulated by the main stream media.

  23. #23

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    People that rely on the main stream media are easily manipulated by the main stream media.
    Why do you think it's significant that I hadn't heard of this particular story? There is a lot of stuff on social media. It would be pretty impossible to be on top of everything. I don't really follow the type of person who would retweet a video of a guy getting stabbed, and if I did I wouldn't watch it.

    Anyway this story is now safely in the public domain, thanks to both social media (and your own good work) and the old school newspaper - even at the risk of starting a race war. I'm sure before long we will all be in agreement that Ireland has the worst violence.

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    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Why do you think it's significant that I hadn't heard of this particular story? There is a lot of stuff on social media. It would be pretty impossible to be on top of everything. I don't really follow the type of person who would retweet a video of a guy getting stabbed, and if I did I wouldn't watch it.

    Anyway this story is now safely in the public domain, thanks to both social media (and your own good work) and the old school newspaper - even at the risk of starting a race war. I'm sure before long we will all be in agreement that Ireland has the worst violence.
    Censorship is bad for democracy.

  25. #25

    Re: Protesting, and the power of the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Censorship is bad for democracy.
    Censorship

    You found videos on twitter, I found it on a news website, we're talking about it here.

    Censorship

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