Aeroplane Over The Etihad

[Rjk]

Great post. Perhaps the message should be "All Lives Matter". That is inclusive and portrays a message that there is, or should be no, difference between black and white.

Someone recently posted a good analogy that the "all lives matter/white lives matter" is like if a house is on fire in a street, stopping the fire brigade from putting it out and instead demanding that they spray all the houses equally.

Yes lives matter, but at the moment saying all lives matter or white lives matter is just serving as taking focus away from the groups that are still in 2020 being marginalized and discriminated against in the worst ways imaginable.

[Hilts]

I dont know why young white working class males are being singled out as if they are the issue.

[William Treseder]

Perhaps the message should have been "Black Lives Matter TOO" for the hard of thinking. Maybe that would curtail all this White Lives Matter crap!

Joking aside. All lives matter would have been a better title, as there are many cultures all over the world that suffer from racism. It needs to be a global message, followed by lots of eduction in schools world wide..

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I dont know why young white working class males are being singled out as if they are the issue.

The protest/riots were very much a 'class' thing. Posh privileged middle class white kids from London on one side, poor, ill-educated white males from outside the London bubble. No-one protesting for them though..

[Toadstool]

Have a look at some of the police reaction to the asian grooming gangs in the north...

"The five-year investigation conducted by the IOPC, codenamed Operation Lindon, has produced a highly critical report. It states that the South Yorkshire police were scared to take action against a group of Asian men who were sexually abusing a young girl for fear of triggering unrest in the Asian community and being branded racist. Instead, they did little to disrupt the gang and safeguard the vulnerable victim and other young girls, even though they knew they were being subjected to horrendous sexual abuse."

You can see from the above where some folk might want to make the point that "white lives matter as well"

[lardy]

Have a look at some of the police reaction to the asian grooming gangs in the north...

"The five-year investigation conducted by the IOPC, codenamed Operation Lindon, has produced a highly critical report. It states that the South Yorkshire police were scared to take action against a group of Asian men who were sexually abusing a young girl for fear of triggering unrest in the Asian community and being branded racist. Instead, they did little to disrupt the gang and safeguard the vulnerable victim and other young girls, even though they knew they were being subjected to horrendous sexual abuse."

You can see from the above where some folk might want to make the point that "white lives matter as well"

And people, white or otherwise, have every opportunity and right to get on the street and protest about this.

[OurManFlint II]

Whatever your thoughts on the rights and wrongs of the banner - do you believe that it represents a small minority or a silent majority?

I think there are a lot of people who perceive that “you can’t say or do anything these days for fear of being called a racist”.

And that in itself can lead to a backlash.

The young white male in a lot of these towns are in a minority themselves.

87.17% of the UK population is white, i fail to see where any town whites are minority.

[insider]

Imagine being that much of a snow flake that when a Black man in America gets murdered in day light by a cop and because of it the Black lives matter slogan goes global and you are a White person and you get the hump and you have to come with what about us.

[Baloo]

The protest/riots were very much a 'class' thing. Posh privileged middle class white kids from London on one side, poor, ill-educated white males from outside the London bubble. No-one protesting for them though..

And the posh, middle-class London Kids travelled to protest in places like Coventry, Newcastle and Barry. Fair play to them.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The protest/riots were very much a 'class' thing. Posh privileged middle class white kids from London on one side, poor, ill-educated white males from outside the London bubble. No-one protesting for them though..

Complete bollocks

Watch the tv coverage of the black lives matter protests in london , bristol , cardiff

People from all races and classes

Those right wing racist thugs were also from all classes except they were all white

[the other bob wilson]

And the posh, middle-class London Kids travelled to protest in places like Coventry, Newcastle and Barry. Fair play to them.

Do you have proof of that? Without it, it just sounds the sort of sweeping generalisation that the extremes on either side of the argument feed off.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Whatever your thoughts on the rights and wrongs of the banner - do you believe that it represents a small minority or a silent majority?

I think there are a lot of people who perceive that “you can’t say or do anything these days for fear of being called a racist”.

And that in itself can lead to a backlash.

The young white male in a lot of these towns are in a minority themselves.

Where are the stats for that then ?

Even in bradford the asian community is in the minority

[Baloo]

Do you have proof of that? Without it, it just sounds the sort of sweeping generalisation that the extremes on either side of the argument feed off.

Sorry forgot the question mark after Barry.

I was replying to AQM’s post I linked where he stated it was posh London kids doing the protesting. That isn’t my view.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Do you have proof of that? Without it, it just sounds the sort of sweeping generalisation that the extremes on either side of the argument feed off.

You just have to look at the tv coverage bob , in cardiff and barry you had a wide range of people from all backgrounds out supporting the BLM protest

When the english defence league came to cardiff several years back it was a rainbow of colours and classes out to protest against them

It certainly wasnt white middle class university types , that's utter bollocks

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Massive over reaction from you two as usual.
The flying of the banner was moronic, as are the comments on the site posted on here, but its a small minority attracted to that site like moths to a flame.
The majority of folk in the UK realise how daft that banner was.

Loads of people have abhorrent racist views in this country

Go on the other site and read what crap get posted on there

By fellow cardiff city fans

It's far from a small minority

You are in denial

[Hilts]

This young working class male thing.

From what ive seen. Its fat beer bellied middle aged pissed up slobs.

[the other bob wilson]

Sorry forgot the question mark after Barry.

I was replying to AQM’s post I linked where he stated it was posh London kids doing the protesting. That isn’t my view.

I should be apologising to you because my question was supposed to be to Monkfish for what he said .

Sorry about that.

[lardy]

I think that you have a point about young white men living in what used to be prosperous industrial towns, they have certainly been left behind and forgotten and a lot of evidence points that way, especially with drug addiction and suicide. It's no coincidence that we have a seen a rise in far right politics and a backlash against the EU in these areas, because whether we like it or not,alotof young working class white men have little hope, job opportunity and Educational ambitions. They have been shit on as well and it shouldn't be ignored.

Are they racist? Some are-Would their racist tendencies be as prevalent if there was real job opportunities in their area? Probably not.

Th working class have always been good at sharing and integrating,they've had to, sure there have been problems along the way, but on the whole, as long as their is work and prosperity, Working class people have always been welcoming and accommodating.

The problems kick in when Politicians blatantly don't care about these people, businesses and corporations are allowed to treat these people poorly, education standards drop etc. That's when the Racism and far right politics start creeping in, and they have. Are young white working class males discriminated against? Maybe not for the colour of their skin, but certainly for their class and in some cases within the middle class media, their culture.

Are they finding life tough because of their race, or because they live in an economically struggling town?

Edit: I know you address this in your final paragraph, it's more of an open question than specific to you. Just related to your post.

[adz-a32]

Great post. Perhaps the message should be "All Lives Matter". That is inclusive and portrays a message that there is, or should be no, difference between black and white.

All Lives Matter Guy from r/PoliticalHumor

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Joking aside. All lives matter would have been a better title, as there are many cultures all over the world that suffer from racism. It needs to be a global message, followed by lots of eduction in schools world wide..

So do you agree that black lives matter or not? Simple yes or no will suffice.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I think that you have a point about young white men living in what used to be prosperous industrial towns, they have certainly been left behind and forgotten and a lot of evidence points that way, especially with drug addiction and suicide. It's no coincidence that we have a seen a rise in far right politics and a backlash against the EU in these areas, because whether we like it or not,alotof young working class white men have little hope, job opportunity and Educational ambitions. They have been shit on as well and it shouldn't be ignored.

Are they racist? Some are-Would their racist tendencies be as prevalent if there was real job opportunities in their area? Probably not.

Th working class have always been good at sharing and integrating,they've had to, sure there have been problems along the way, but on the whole, as long as their is work and prosperity, Working class people have always been welcoming and accommodating.

The problems kick in when Politicians blatantly don't care about these people, businesses and corporations are allowed to treat these people poorly, education standards drop etc. That's when the Racism and far right politics start creeping in, and they have. Are young white working class males discriminated against? Maybe not for the colour of their skin, but certainly for their class and in some cases within the middle class media, their culture.

The comical thing is that right wing politics has been the cause of so many working class problems, yet many of them lurch further right in search of the solution. You couldn't make it up.

[Trigger]

In this case it would have been better to have ignored it surely, the media not salivate as they think of another headline, the players and staff to not mention it. Would have been gutting for whoever funded it, as it is they got exactly what they wanted from it.

[lardy]

In this case it would have been better to have ignored it surely, the media not salivate as they think of another headline, the players and staff to not mention it. Would have been gutting for whoever funded it, as it is they got exactly what they wanted from it.

You're right but it's never gonna happen nowadays. It'dbe on social media and then it's one small step to the press.

[Vindec]

So do you agree that black lives matter or not? Simple yes or no will suffice.

If that is your argument what is there to object to the original post which is about the white lives matter slogan? I don't like the white lives matter slogan either but that's not the point. The issue is that both the black lives matter and white lives matter slogans are both questionable as they compound racial divide. What is there to object to "All lives matter"?

[trampie09]

I think that you have a point about young white men living in what used to be prosperous industrial towns, they have certainly been left behind and forgotten and a lot of evidence points that way, especially with drug addiction and suicide. It's no coincidence that we have a seen a rise in far right politics and a backlash against the EU in these areas, because whether we like it or not,alotof young working class white men have little hope, job opportunity and Educational ambitions. They have been shit on as well and it shouldn't be ignored.

Are they racist? Some are-Would their racist tendencies be as prevalent if there was real job opportunities in their area? Probably not.

Th working class have always been good at sharing and integrating,they've had to, sure there have been problems along the way, but on the whole, as long as their is work and prosperity, Working class people have always been welcoming and accommodating.

The problems kick in when Politicians blatantly don't care about these people, businesses and corporations are allowed to treat these people poorly, education standards drop etc. That's when the Racism and far right politics start creeping in, and they have. Are young white working class males discriminated against? Maybe not for the colour of their skin, but certainly for their class and in some cases within the middle class media, their culture.

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