Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
Yes, it is really that bad. As another poster says, you have to live in a place to know it, but of course once you're living there it's too late. As Jon says, there are some nice areas in Teeside but Middlesbrough is not one of them.
It is desperate up there. I did some consultancy work at Redcar and Cleveland council back in the day, I think 'boro were in the Prem and struggling, but it was the only talking point in the office.

Not long after that, I spent 1 month in Runcorn and that was really dire. Two guys working there, one opened one envelope a day with a computer tape. The other guy would load the tape. Job done, chat for 2-3 hours, long pub lunch and finished at 3pm. I asked them what happens if one of them go on leave