Lockdown before Xmas, Welsh Intensive Care specialists

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Time to shut down now , not in the fecking new year

Its a crisis out there for Welsh hospitals

Completely mad to allow families from all over the place to naff things up just for a few days when its bad enough as it is

Sorry kids , sorry aunty Betty, its time to cancel Xmas

[life on mars]

Time to shut down now , not in the fecking new year

Its a crisis out there for Welsh hospitals

Completely mad to allow families from all over the place to naff things up just for a few days when its bad enough as it is

Sorry kids , sorry aunty Betty, its time to cancel Xmas

Stop it Mark is trying to save Xmas, he's paid a hefty deposit on his Santa outfit.

Why mothball Nightingale Hospitals one might ask , and ask was our Health Service fit for purpose in the beginning and now being sadly exposed.

Do agree though Xmas is shot why bugger up the lockdown, pub hospitality ,fire breaks efforts only to throw it all up in the air for a dry turkey dinner , farty Brussels sprouts , stupid party hats and relatives we don't bother with for most of the year .

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Stop it Mark is trying to save Xmas, he's paid a hefty deposit on his Santa outfit.

Why mothball Nightingale Hospitals one might ask , and ask was our Health Service fit for purpose in the beginning and now being sadly exposed.

I understand those hospitals were for recovery patients, though I might be wrong.

Was our NHS fit for purpose in the beginning? No. These lockdowns are partly because our NHS hasn't got the ability to cope. While it is devolved in Wales, sadly funding doesn't come from trees and the NHS across the UK in real terms is funded less than a decade ago.

[Gofer Blue]

Surely it was pretty stupid to decommission the Nightingale Hospital at the Principality Stadium. Why? So the all-important 6 nation rugby matches can be played there next Spring - madness!

Mark Drakeford says the Welsh public will lose trust in the WAG if plans for the Christmas period are changed. Rubbish. What he means is he and Gethin will lose face if the plans are changed. They should never have made any promises about relaxing the rules over Christmas until nearer the time when the status of the pandemic would be known.

Hopefully most folk will make the sensible decision to minimise contact over the holiday regardless of what the rules say we are allowed to do.

BTW Christmas cannot/will not be cancelled. Various boozy party get-togethers maybe cancelled, that's a different matter.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I saw Vaughan gething arguing against a complete lockdown at Xmas as the doctors were pleading for it

Just like Hancock he's got to bow to the advice of those who know and are dealing with it

If he doesn't then you can forget about spring and maybe even summer

Just do it

No families meeting up for Xmas, lockdown , simple as that

Stick your rights up your arse this is serious and everybody has got to wake up

Football , shove it

Gigs , get fecked

Pubs with people getting pissed up , no chance

Groups of people gathering transmit this thing

The NHS is at breaking point , nursesxand doctors are dying treating our loved ones and people want to insist on having a turkey dinner ?

What a load of bollocks

My old dear has got pneumonia, dementia and covid and is in isolation at the Princess of Wales , she's 86

There are people in their forties fighting for their lives with this virus and we are worrying about Christmas?

The other day I went in to drop off some laundry for her and the shops were fecking packed with people carrying bagfulls of presents , the stores were packed

This country , and that means the UK, is full of brain dead idiots

Cannot people moderate their behaviour till we get on top of this thing ?

Boris , Drakeford and Sturgeon have got to get tough and stay tough

Its a piss show

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Surely it was pretty stupid to decommission the Nightingale Hospital at the Principality Stadium. Why? So the all-important 6 nation rugby matches can be played there next Spring - madness!

Mark Drakeford says the Welsh public will lose trust in the WAG if plans for the Christmas period are changed. Rubbish. What he means is he and Gethin will lose face if the plans are changed. They should never have made any promises about relaxing the rules over Christmas until nearer the time when the status of the pandemic would be known.

Hopefully most folk will make the sensible decision to minimise contact over the holiday regardless of what the rules say we are allowed to do.

BTW Christmas cannot/will not be cancelled. Various boozy party get-togethers maybe cancelled, that's a different matter.

There is a new hospital in Bridgend, seren , for overflow , thats filling up

[The Bloop]

The politicians caved in to public pressure to ease the restrictions for Christmas. Sod the public, they should be listening to the doctors and nurses and lockdown now. It's the Christmas shoppers and schools that are fuelling the rise in cases now. The system cant cope now and wont cope with the consequences of the 5 days of Christmas.

[Trigger]

I'm not one to defend Mr Drakeford and co but the dragons breath or whatever it was called at the mill stand was shut because there was hardly anyone in there for months. At the same time they were building a new purpose built unit at the heath.

[xsnaggle]

I'm not one to defend Mr Drakeford and co but the dragons breath or whatever it was called at the mill stand was shut because there was hardly anyone in there for months. At the same time they were building a new purpose built unit at the heath................. which still isn't fully ready.

Just finishing that sentence for you. Not ready because the WAG didn't arrange for the work to start until too late and closed the Stadium knowing it wouldn't be ready.

[Grangenders]

Even if the government had said at the outset that Christmas would be a full lockdown, a huge percentage of people would have ignored it and done as they pleased. A huge wave in the UK in January is inevitable, whatever the policies.

Other countries will also see spikes, but not to the level of the UK. Our increased ‘me’ culture means us Brits think; I’ll be ok and my family will be ok, so what’s the problem?

The politicians will take the flack, but you can only do so much if your population is stupid.

[xsnaggle]

I saw Vaughan gething arguing against a complete lockdown at Xmas as the doctors were pleading for it

Just like Hancock he's got to bow to the advice of those who know and are dealing with it

If he doesn't then you can forget about spring and maybe even summer

Just do it

No families meeting up for Xmas, lockdown , simple as that

Stick your rights up your arse this is serious and everybody has got to wake up

Football , shove it

Gigs , get fecked

Pubs with people getting pissed up , no chance

Groups of people gathering transmit this thing

The NHS is at breaking point , nursesxand doctors are dying treating our loved ones and people want to insist on having a turkey dinner ?

What a load of bollocks

My old dear has got pneumonia, dementia and covid and is in isolation at the Princess of Wales , she's 86

There are people in their forties fighting for their lives with this virus and we are worrying about Christmas?

The other day I went in to drop off some laundry for her and the shops were fecking packed with people carrying bagfulls of presents , the stores were packed

This country , and that means the UK, is full of brain dead idiots

Cannot people moderate their behaviour till we get on top of this thing ?

Boris , Drakeford and Sturgeon have got to get tough and stay tough

Its a piss show

you can shut anything you like but no government is going to stop people meeting getting pissed and breaking the rules unless you impose total curfew and martial law. That is not going to happen. If it did there would be revolt.

It will happen in people houses come what may. Everyone believes it won't happen to them, it's human nature If you thought anything else you couldn't live your life.

[xsnaggle]

Even if the government had said at the outset that Christmas would be a full lockdown, a huge percentage of people would have ignored it and done as they pleased. A huge wave in the UK in January is inevitable, whatever the policies.

Other countries will also see spikes, but not to the level of the UK. Our increased ‘me’ culture means us Brits think; I’ll be ok and my family will be ok, so what’s the problem?

The politicians will take the flack, but you can only do so much if your population is stupid.

That is not a 'Brit' thing, its human nature. If people always thought something bad would happen to them they'd never so anything (Literally).

https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3an...-optimism-bias

[Hilts]

Just finishing that sentence for you. Not ready because the WAG didn't arrange for the work to start until too late and closed the Stadium knowing it wouldn't be ready.

Are there enough staff and patients for a Stadium hospital at the moment.?

I think the WAG have lost control. Drakeford should never gone along with the 5 day piss up and should be locking down now.

I dont think closing the Stadium was a mistake though.

[Hilts]

you can shut anything you like but no government is going to stop people meeting getting pissed and breaking the rules unless you impose total curfew and martial law. That is not going to happen. If it did there would be revolt.

It will happen in people houses come what may. Everyone believes it won't happen to them, it's human nature If you thought anything else you couldn't live your life.

But the bufoons line has been trust in the British people.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

There's panic in the streets..

[LeningradCowboy]

I understand those hospitals were for recovery patients, though I might be wrong.

Was our NHS fit for purpose in the beginning? No. These lockdowns are partly because our NHS hasn't got the ability to cope. While it is devolved in Wales, sadly funding doesn't come from trees and the NHS across the UK in real terms is funded less than a decade ago.

Really?

[lardy]

Really?

I think the funding has gone up slower than inflation.

[Wozza16]

Really feeling for Wales and the UK looking from overseas (Australia), although I've gotta say I'm embarrassed to see Westminsters response to this whole thing and the news in Australia displays the same thing.

Boris' whole manifesto was getting control of the borders and leaving Europe then a pandemic comes around and he doesn't close the borders to Europe (when the UK is an island) and thus imports the virus in from travellers from the continent?? Not once but twice. WAG have got things wrong but it seems like they're trying to empty a flooding house but all the taps are running and the rivers are overflowing.

Australia/NZ etc are lucky they are fairly isolated but by closing the borders quickly they have avoided a nightmare situation. The Tories have f'ed up the UKs response, once the virus is in the community you are on a hiding to nothing.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Really?

Inflation has averaged at 3.1% between 2010-2020. The NHS budget was £126.3bn in 2010. It would be £171bn if it matched inflation. In 2020 it was £149bn.

Edit: Extra money has been made available for Covid and shouldn't be used in the calculation.

[LeningradCowboy]

Inflation has averaged at 3.1% between 2010-2020. The NHS budget was £126.3bn in 2010. It would be £171bn if it matched inflation. In 2020 it was £149bn.

Edit: Extra money has been made available for Covid and shouldn't be used in the calculation.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project...ell/nhs-budget

I think that £126.3bn figure for 2010 is in 2020 prices, i.e. accounting for inflation.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I think the WAG have lost control. Drakeford should never gone along with the 5 day piss up and should be locking down now.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but apparently the decision to close pubs early and stop selling alcohol has damaged the public's opinion of the Welsh Government. Could you imagine the reaction from much of the public if WG told everyone they cannot meet with families etc? It'll be bad enough if there is a lockdown immediately after Christmas and people are stopped from meeting up to celebrate new year.

I am starting to feel sorry for our MPs, AMs etc. A quick glance on Facebook and Twitter sees so many people criticising governments in Wales and Westminster for preventing people living their lives. Then you get others criticising the same for not being strong enough and not shutting things down faster and for longer. They cannot win. Snuggler says the only way you'd enforce a lockdown is with martial law. I think he's right. Imagine the reaction if it happened? Jeez.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project...ell/nhs-budget

I think that £126.3bn figure for 2010 is in 2020 prices, i.e. accounting for inflation.

Yes, my mistake. I notice the King's Fund also says that rises have been much lower than the average rise and the NHS struggles to make ends meet.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

More and more medical consultants calling for a shutdown as the relaxation in restrictions is going to cost lives and an already rampant virus is going to go into overdrive

Should we listen to Boris, Hancock , Drakeford and Gethin or specialists in respiratory medicine , intensive care consultants etc ?

Do it now you fecking dicks

[Gofer Blue]

Just finishing that sentence for you. Not ready because the WAG didn't arrange for the work to start until too late and closed the Stadium knowing it wouldn't be ready.

I didn't know that, so it's even worse than I thought. Why dismantle the stadium hospital at all? Just to have a few games of rugby in the spring which no-one will be allowed in to see anyway? Stradey Park is perfectly adequate for international games as we have seen recently.

Apparently the stadium hospital cost £8 million to build and the new facility is going to cost £33 million!! I don't know the cost of dismantling the former.

[Gofer Blue]

I saw Vaughan gething arguing against a complete lockdown at Xmas as the doctors were pleading for it

Just like Hancock he's got to bow to the advice of those who know and are dealing with it

If he doesn't then you can forget about spring and maybe even summer

Just do it

No families meeting up for Xmas, lockdown , simple as that

Stick your rights up your arse this is serious and everybody has got to wake up

Football , shove it

Gigs , get fecked

Pubs with people getting pissed up , no chance

Groups of people gathering transmit this thing

The NHS is at breaking point , nursesxand doctors are dying treating our loved ones and people want to insist on having a turkey dinner ?

What a load of bollocks

My old dear has got pneumonia, dementia and covid and is in isolation at the Princess of Wales , she's 86

There are people in their forties fighting for their lives with this virus and we are worrying about Christmas?

The other day I went in to drop off some laundry for her and the shops were fecking packed with people carrying bagfulls of presents , the stores were packed

This country , and that means the UK, is full of brain dead idiots

Cannot people moderate their behaviour till we get on top of this thing ?

Boris , Drakeford and Sturgeon have got to get tough and stay tough

Its a piss show

And nothing to do with Christmas.