Reply With QuoteTrouble with WAG they don't manage cost very well , or logistics .Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
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Relaxing the restriction rules at Xmas is going to lead to a prolonged spread of the virus , whether its locally or to other parts of the country
Xmas is , whether you celebrate it for religious or other purposes , a time when people mix . We are in the middle of a huge spike in this virus again , the health service is creaking , the experts are saying Xmas or winter festival or whatever needs to be restricted , they want a lockdown
But our politicians and our stupid population don't want that
So we are fecked
Trouble with WAG they don't manage cost very well , or logistics .
Nope , track , trace , isolate be buggered why should I
For many people, family is everything. And lots of people love Christmas. Imagine that you fall into both of those categories, but have elected to stay away from your family this year in order to be on the 'safe' side. And then imagine that one of your family members dies early in the New Year before you have a chance to see them again. I wonder how you'd feel about that? Would you console yourself with the thought that you'd done the 'right' thing?
On the flip side is that if you decided to see them again, you had Covid but didn't know it, passed it on and they become severely ill or worse, how would you feel? I'm in charge of a ladies' choir and we've made the decision that we're not going to resume until it is ok for everyone to do so. Many of them are itching to get back to singing, but it's all tempered by the possibility that Covid could be passed on in a rehearsal to someone vunerable (and we have a few). Nobody wants that on their conscience. Another choir I help out have agreed to resume when given the green light to do so, signing disclaimers, and anyone vunerable making their own decision over whether to return.
There's no right or wrong with any of this, just different opinions. I think there are genuine cases where families will need to be together, that I'd class as essential. I would hope most people are capable of deciding what is essential and what isn't. What must be avoided are those who are solely interested in having a large party as this is often where Covid spikes originate. As I've said before, it's not about the majority, who are sensible with all of this, it's about the minority who have no regard for the rules and will do what they want regardless. That is, unfortunately, why we have to have laws and regulations.
Indeed. Like you say, there is no obvious right or wrong despite what some fools are claiming.
I’d say one thing this past yr has taught a lot of people, or hopefully it will, is if and when life gets back to some form of normality, then folk should spend a lot more time with family members, especially parents, if they are lucky enough to still be alive.
I’ve never understood families who only get together at Christmas. How ever busy you are, there are more important things in life.
Fair enough, if you live so far away it makes it almost impossible to visit regularly, but there are many folk who could make more effort, but choose not to for what ever reason, then regret it when it’s too late..
There's certainly some truth in that, but this year has been unique in that many people who usually spend plenty of time with their families haven't done so at all this year because they've been observing the various rules and regulations.
Trivia fact that I heard on the radio a few months back was that dogs have never had it so good apparently, not being left alone all day whilst owners are at work, being walked a lot more regularly, loads more attention and being fed more often.........it hasn't tempted me to get a dog at all though, mobile shit machines as far as I’m concerned
That's why I'm not in favour of announcing a lockdown over Christmas. I'm not even sure how much an appeal to people's better nature would work. Those who would deliberately flaut the rules will do so regardless of what they are told, where some who feel that meeting up with a family member or even a friend who desperately needs that company on what can be the most lonely day of the year, might think better of it.
I'm not a fan of Christmas (to put it mildly), but my mother certainly is. Highlight of the year as far as she's concerned and, while she's being pragmatic about situation, I know it's really upset her that our circumstances dictate we won't be able to get together as a family at all this year, either on Christmas Day or on any other day during the festive period. She's in her mid-eighties now and has mentioned on more than one occasion that she fears we may not get the chance to spend another Christmas together, which is understandable at her age. She's used the same phrase repeatedly in recent months: "This isn't living, it's just existing." I think a lot of people of all ages are feeling the same.
you're preaching to the... nevermind.
Sorry to hear about your mother Sludge. I hope things work out ok mate. Completely agree with everything you said on the matter
Thank you mate
If your car is fecked you see a mechanic
If you need some advice about a legal matter , you see a solicitor
If the people dealing on the coal face with this serious virus that has killed people of all ages and many healthcare staff say that the hospitals are creaking and that their years of medical training has enabled them to come to the conclusion that the country needs to forget about Xmas this year , however important it is to families , parents , kids , the shops etc ......because if we don't then this virus is going to swamp the hospitals and the healthcare system will break , in the middle of winter then we are either going to take that advice or we are fecked , not just for Xmas but for maybe another year !
Its staggering that the powers that be are not getting their shit together
I couldn't give a toss if Christmas is an important time for some , I think being alive is important too and if we have a free for all for 5 days over Xmas then people are going to die . Doctors and nurses and porters and cleaners are putting their lives on the line and people are kicking up a fuss because they are going to have to wait 6 weeks till half term for the next family get together ?
The joy of government is that the people are stupid
Depends on the circumstances. If a person was terminally ill, then i'd be over to see them as much as possible. If a person was very sick and the general consensus was that they may not get through it, then the same, i'd be over to see them. If a person was just elderly, but fit enough and with no big health issues then i'd stay away.
The question was more about feelings after the event. Unfortunately, in time there are going to be many people with deep regrets about this festive season - those who missed out on a last chance to spend time with their loved ones and those who unwittingly passed the virus to their families or friends.
Circumstances dictate that the decision over what to do regarding Christmas this year is effectively out of my hands anyway, so it's not something I have to think too much about. However, it makes me laugh when I read people preaching to others about what they should and shouldn't be doing with their families - especially when those doing the preaching don't have any decisions to make.
My old dear has crohns disease, is diabetic and is losing her sight, remarkably, she's still living on her own, she's doing really well. I'll be over to see her through the kitchen window, cup of tea and a chat.
Should've mentioned how people may feel, well, it's already happened plenty of people have died in hospitals and care homes without loved ones about. I suppose Christmas may magnify those feelings for some.
Yeah, of course, but that's not what I was getting at.
Anyway, people will obviously make up their own minds as regards whether or not to visit relatives and loved ones over the Christmas period. Nothing the politicians say or do is likely to make a difference to that. And nothing anyone says on a football message board is going to make a scrap of difference either.
Amen. Couldn't agree more.
Goes without saying.
Well I am prepared to make a prediction
If the powers that be announce severe restrictions or a lockdown , which is what they are being told is needed by people working to save our lives then therecis absolutely no doubt that the majority of people will abide by the rules . If the police are given powers to implement this and stop people travelling all over the place then so be it .
If people say feck it , I am going to go wherever I like and one of their loved ones gets covid then maybe thats natural justice
What a complete and utter bunch of half wits and shithouses
Try and be on your best behaviour for Xmas........are they having a laugh ? .......the virus will spread , then we will be tough on you after allowing you to party and then , when its too late , the NHS will have to put up with a huge surge into the new year
But we have done our best because we got tough on the 28th , after everyone mixed, went shopping and spread the virus
Donkeys , England, Scotland and Wales
At least Retail is closing in Wales on the 24th Sludge.
The sales would have seen packed shopping centres again.
Its pissing in the wind though isn't it ?
The doctors and viral experts say lockdown ff sake
The politicians don't have the bollocks to do what they are advised
Feck em
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