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Given the general rule that what happens in America tends to find its way to the UK within a year, it’s a relief and a bit of a surprise that we don’t get more incidents like this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58197414
That’s no consolation to the bereaved in this case of course - condolences to the family and friends of those who lost their lives.
Our Gun laws were nowhere near as lax as America. Even so they were quite correctly tightened after Hungerford and Dunblane and are now among the tightest in the world, which is one reason why we don't get the same problems as America.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Presumably they will now review them again.
As you say condolences to all those affected.
Awful.
Just outlaw guns apart from the forces etc.
Looks like he was one of those incel guys - only 23 as well
one of the 6 killed was a child under the age of 10.
Looking at his FB Page he is a Trump Supporter i.e. right wing loon
Difficult to ignore the role of social media in this kind of radicalisation. It can be a power for good, but in cases like this it seems to lead lonely depressed young men to form a toxic environment where this is the outcome.
I'm sure I had plenty of friends who didn't have any girlfriends by that age.
Someone who thinks at acts like that like that would have carried out some tragedy or harm with or without Facebook the lad is a lunatic , or spiced up , I'd be shocked if the family were targeted for politic purposes
People are being groomed by social media and right wing loons NQAT.
He was a massive incel, and seems to have radicalised himself online amongst other incels.
Im sure they aren't all right wing, but often the politics of the far right (or the far left) is appealing to those who want someone to blame for what they see as an unfair life so there is probably a degree of crossover.
Increased isolation during covid may well not have helped - if he'd been out socialising with some normal friends instead of being angry on the internet with other incels then maybe it wouldn't have happened.
These things happen irrespective of gun laws, anti free speech laws etc etc.
Be great if you could prevent them but you can only discourage them.
I get the impression that it’s essentially a domestic gone nuts.
If I were going to look for societal reasons it’d be an obsession with crime and violence in all entertainment etc plus abandonment of 8000 years of natural human behaviour ( which is bound to cause mental illness) , but really it was another sad case of one man giving in to the voices of evil.
What do you mean by abandonment of 8000 years of natural human behaviour?
Social Media has a hell of lot to answer for. There again I am in my 70s and have always managed without it. Having said that I suppose this site could be construed as social media so maybe I am just a snowflake.
That's why we have laws, isn't it? To discourage bad things from happening. I'm trying to work out if you're arguing that we shouldn't bother with gun control laws. The anti free speech laws bit, well I've no idea what that's supposed to mean in this conversation.
The only reason it happened is because he was a virgin, I can link his Reddit account if you want (and if it’s allowed on here). He was utterly obsessed with being a virgin at his age and he couldn’t separate his mind from it.
Looking at his YouTube videos I am not surprised no one wanted to be his partner, he’s outwardly negative and seems unpleasant to be around. Shame he decided to take out innocent people yesterday, he was lucky enough to have legal access to a gun, just shoot yourself if you’ve come to terms with suicide, not innocent people (one I assume is his mother). Maybe there’s a question about mental health treatment in this country, is it good enough? Who knows if he even tried to get help
how many people in this country have a gun permit?
surely someone's job should be to monitor them, if they start posting a load of incelly stuff then take the gun away
Dreadful for the victims families if its down to being a frustrated virgin ?? .
Sounds like the system/family failed to spot the issues ,or were they just brushed under the carpet .?
His YouTube and Reddit account would be hard to flag, I don’t know what he posted on Facebook though.
He killed his mum and unsurprisingly was distant from the rest of his family. He described his mum as abusive and resented her so much he even blamed her for his social issues.
It’ll be interesting to hear if he sought help for his mental health issues.
Point is that laws can only do so much. If they’re quite strict then they’d be a bit more effective than ours currently are, but unfortunately it’s been apparent since the days of Ancient Rome and Greece that some will disobey them in the most awful way, such as this chap.
There’s a current erroneous belief that you’d stop it altogether by more laws and even tighter controls on certain items and “dangerous “ ideas. In reality you can’t and so in a more educated and rational society there’s a trade off between interfering with people’s liberties and mitigating risk to the public safety.
Bit too wide ranging for a football forum really. In a nutshell the trend to reinvent every survival rule which mankind has found it needed since the days of the Ancient Hitites then wondering why the result is chaos and widespread mental illness.
I don't follow you
care to give some examples?
Micheal Ryan , this chap , Raoul Moat , the Dunblane killer , the mass shootings in Cumbria.....
These people I find it hard the psychiatrists would find mentally ill such as schizophrenia, psychosis , etc
Maybe anti social personality disorder but most likely psychopathic which is a way of feeling rather than an illness
Its why people like this slip through the net
They are odd , they are loners , they are anti social but you can't really treat people like this until they go on a rampage which generally means they kill them selves before they can be arrested
I think they are just evil , if evil exists
Not really. Think about it and I’m sure you’ll see many examples.
Wonder if the bollocks excuses would be out if he wasn’t a white british lad?
You’re such a loser and need to take a break from reading far right shite.
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