The Two-faced, hypocritical Buffoon and his Party set for a Mauling at PMQ's Today..

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Ah changed your tack now then.

I have already given an exampleof what I ind detestable abput Corbyn.That's the one I remember clearly.There are many others buT I can't rmember the details preciselynow an I really can't be bothered to go searching back on the internet for them.

I don't find Boris "perfectly electable. As I pointed out when Sludge made a similar point about Prti Patel

"You vote for the party which unfortunately means you have to put up with some whose views you find unpalatable. That is the same with all parties in our system"

That "some"
includes the leader in this case

You vote for the party which unfortunately means you have to put up with some whose views you find unpalatable. That is the same with all parties in our system

After seeing Johnson in action then are clearly not going to vote for him again ?

[Elwood Blues]

Sorry Elwood I wasn't being facetious.

I asked because I know an awful lot of ex-military people have a knee jerk dislike for Corbyn and left leaning politics generally. Not all ex-military I hasten to add. It's also refreshing to meet others who think differently.

I genuinely respect your view though of course I disagree with your interpretation. However rather than railroading this thread any more than it already has so I wont develop my thought on the matter.

I genuinely wanted to find out why so many people have this weird view about Corbyn so I was intrigued to hear your views. As it happens, although we obviously have polarised political views, you are one of the more disciplined posters on here and I admire you for never resorting to name calling.

Ah sorry Dorcus, you make a good point about the military.

Yes there is nothing wrong with disagreeing and it can be done in a civil way as we are doing now. Too often on this board it descends into a slanging match.

I do try to avoid name calling, although I must hold my hands up to having blotted my copy book a bit last night by asking Hilts if his real name was Richard Head! (well he had called me a right wing loon then suggested I was Tommy Robinson. And I was tired !).


You are right it proabably isn't really worth discussing Corbyn and his faults on here now.

Nice to have a civilised talk anyway

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Ah sorry Dorcus, you make a good point about the military.

Yes there is nothing wrong with disagreeing and it can be done in a civil way as we are doing now. Too often on this board it descends into a slanging match.

I do try to avoid name calling, although I must hold my hands up to having blotted my copy book a bit last night by asking Hilts if his real name was Richard Head! (well he had called me a right wing loon then suggested I was Tommy Robinson. And I was tired !).


You are right it proabably isn't really worth discussing Corbyn and his faults on here now.

Nice to have a civilised talk anyway

You are a nice guy but clearly a fully signed up tory , that much is clear .

I mean you voted for Johnson and there is no doubt whatsoever that come the next election if he's leading the conservatives you will be voting for them again .

[Tuerto]

As wet and ineffective as Starmer is he's not a tory

And I would rather die than vote tory so it's starmer for me until us anyone but the Tories voters get a better alternative

He's a Blairite sludge, not much difference.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

He's a Blairite sludge, not much difference.

He's far more middle ground than Blair who wore Union Jack knickers

However the labour party is finished now , it's all over bar the shouting

[splott parker]

It’s so ironic when UK politicians are derided for dealing with certain factions trying to thrash out a solution to problems when successive governments of ours are happily doing arms deals left, right and centre with all sorts of undesirables. Maybe the British are near the top of the ‘detested’ table throughout the world.

[Croesy Blue]

Ah changed your tack now then.

I have already given an exampleof what I ind detestable abput Corbyn.That's the one I remember clearly.There are many others buT I can't rmember the details preciselynow an I really can't be bothered to go searching back on the internet for them.

I don't find Boris "perfectly electable. As I pointed out when Sludge made a similar point about Prti Patel

"You vote for the party which unfortunately means you have to put up with some whose views you find unpalatable. That is the same with all parties in our system"

That "some"
includes the leader in this case

You vote for the party which unfortunately means you have to put up with some whose views you find unpalatable. That is the same with all parties in our system

Changed my tack? I only commented once and I was right it was an obvious straw man.

I notice you keep dodging the actual questions still. You’d make a great Tory MP

If someone can vote for boris Johnson while calling his opposition “vile” they would obviously vote for anything with a blue Rosette because it doesn’t get more vile and useless than Johnson. I’m surprised people are shocked at how bad he’s been, he’s always been like this.

[Tuerto]

He's far more middle ground than Blair who wore Union Jack knickers

However the labour party is finished now , it's all over bar the shouting

They're not finished. Whatever problems they do face though have been created from within, it not the wider membership or the electorate in my opinion

[Swiss Peter]

As wet and ineffective as Starmer is he's not a tory

And I would rather die than vote tory so it's starmer for me until us anyone but the Tories voters get a better alternative

I agree Sludge

All this 'He's Blairite', 'He's a Tory' nonsense is childish and really pisses me off. Get behind the man! Like it or not and however much of a long-shot, he's our best hope to get Johnson out! Worry about how left wing he is or isn't later.

[Elwood Blues]

Changed my tack? I only commented once and I was right it was an obvious straw man.

I notice you keep dodging the actual questions still. You’d make a great Tory MP

If someone can vote for boris Johnson while calling his opposition “vile” they would obviously vote for anything with a blue Rosette because it doesn’t get more vile and useless than Johnson. I’m surprised people are shocked at how bad he’s been, he’s always been like this.

You missed this post of mine responding to your original "Straw Man" jibe then.....


"Actually, if you read back to my post that Splott Parker responded to,what he said to his reply is the straw man argument, because he has avoided discussing my point that I detested Corbyn because he had invited terrorists to tea at the House of Commons shortly after people connected to the Conservative Party had been killed and maimed at the Brighton bombing (which in fact was much to the disgust not only of the tories but his own party leader).

It was therefore intended to be criticising Corbyn for meeting terrorists so shortly after that atrocity and I was not ,as Splott Parker in his deluded fashion seems to think ,suggesting that talks should never take place with terrorists or that Britain is 100% right in what it does.

Perhap Splott Parker thinks there is nothing wrong with Corbyn meeting terrorists when he did. If that is his point of view, fine. I disagree with it but I respect his views. Instead he refuted points which I had not made and are indeed not my view to a large extent.

Ergo it was he who set up the "straw man".

I did say this in a much less long winded fashion in the post you replied to, but conveniently you only the part of it which suited you.

I seem to recall the orginal Croesy ( who was of course the polar opposite in his views to you) used to do the same sort of thing. Cut from the same cloth obviously

Go and tell Splott Parker he has set up a Straw Man.

I dare you"

And what questiions haven't I answered?

[Elwood Blues]

posted in error

[Elwood Blues]

Terrorists

Linda Quigley and Gerard MacLochlainn who Corbyn met in the House of Commons were both convicted IRA terrorists

Although I believe they were saying they belonged to Sinn Fein at the timeof the meeting

[ninian opinian]

Linda Quigley and Gerard MacLochlainn who Corbyn met in the House of Commons were both convicted IRA terrorists

Although I believe they were saying they belonged to Sinn Fein at the time.

All politicians speak with terrorists. In fact the Tory’s secretly met with the IRA at the height of the troubles in Ireland. What’s the difference?

[chrisp_1927]

In terms of Northern Ireland, it should be recognised that Corbyn did also meet Loyalist leaders, and loyalist terrorists. So to be fair, he was willing to meet both sides in order to speak about peace.

[blue matt]

Indeed Theresa May found 1 billion quid of tax payers money to bribe the ulster unionists into propping up the tory government ......your lot ......whilst people struggled

Democracy eh

my lot ? ? ?

I am sure if that deal hadn't come of, labour would have been trying to make a deal somewhere to get into power

[chrisp_1927]

Many people find it difficult to understand there's a major difference between Anti semitism and AntiZionism. Just like there's a major difference between being Anti Muslim and Anti Jihadist. I just think it would be great if those leaning to the right side of politics would start to engage their brains on brief occasions and not accept the drivel promulgated by the right wing media. I'm willing to give elementary lessons for those who wish to break free from the ligature.

Anti Zionism being a disagreement with the existence of the state of Israel. That leaves a lot of scope for some pretty unsavoury opinions. Don't want to derail the thread with another Israel discussion. And i certainly don't condone illegal settlements. But considering the former ottoman empire disintegrated into loads of new countries after its fall. I don't quite understand why the Jewish state was the only one that has a widespread movement denouncing its very existence.

[blue matt]

Ah sorry Dorcus, you make a good point about the military.

Yes there is nothing wrong with disagreeing and it can be done in a civil way as we are doing now. Too often on this board it descends into a slanging match.

I do try to avoid name calling, although I must hold my hands up to having blotted my copy book a bit last night by asking Hilts if his real name was Richard Head! (well he had called me a right wing loon then suggested I was Tommy Robinson. And I was tired !).


You are right it proabably isn't really worth discussing Corbyn and his faults on here now.

Nice to have a civilised talk anyway

Ref the Military, the Tories have traditionally looked after out armed forces ( and the police for that matter )
From my time working with the MOD and chatting to them ( I know this is not really proof of the statement being a fact and would not be admissible in the CCMB court ) , the higher ranked officers were all Tories, the squadies were also often Tories, very few were labour voters

[nugent]

The socialists on here make me laugh àye.
Yeah let's keep the mines open at a loss of a million quid a week.
Let's send our kids down there cos that's what they are capable of cos they are too thick to go to uni and make something of themselves.
And then watch them grow up and sue the government then for coal lung or some other breathing problems.

Faxk me mun boys .

[goats]

A lot of people say they are moderate Tory voters

If that's the case what are they doing voting for Johnson and Patel ?

No alternative

[goats]

The socialists on here make me laugh àye.
Yeah let's keep the mines open at a loss of a million quid a week.
Let's send our kids down there cos that's what they are capable of cos they are too thick to go to uni and make something of themselves.
And then watch them grow up and sue the government then for coal lung or some other breathing problems.

Faxk me mun boys .

No bugger wants to work in mines anyway, no doubt one of the worst, tough jobs out there ever. Think dai butt from trebanog would prefer a nice office job these days

[nugent]

No bugger wants to work in mines anyway, no doubt one of the worst, tough jobs out there ever. Think dai butt from trebanog would prefer a nice office job these days

[blue matt]

No bugger wants to work in mines anyway, no doubt one of the worst, tough jobs out there ever. Think dai butt from trebanog would prefer a nice office job these days

I went to the Big pit a few years back ( we go most years, its a nice day out ( 1/2 day if you are from S Wales )
Nice ice cream, down the pit face, back up, look at the displays, nice coffee, have photo taken infront of the NUM picket caravan ( Ive even taken a red flag for the photo ), ice cream ( again ) gift shop , home, entry is free, its great

anyways, our tour guide was a ex-miner, we got chatting on the tour, while chatting, my daughter who was about 9 - 10 at the time blurted out " Shame the evil witch thatcher shut you all down " ( yes of course she had heard me saying it ) he said " most Miners now think it was the best thing to happen " , he went on to say he was so relived his boy wouldn't have to work down the mine, said he was just starting comprehensive school at the time of the closure and would have certainly followed him down the pit just as he had followed his dad, he chatted about how tough the job was, the risk of death was always with you, out of his group of work mates, no-one was sad to see the pit close

It certainly opened my mind about the mine closures, I was always told in school how Maggie destroyed communities in Wales and it was a pre-planned operation against the working classes, but speaking to this miner ( and he made is clear he wasn't alone in these thoughts ) the pit closure might have been the worse thing to happen

[goats]

I went to the Big pit a few years back ( we go most years, its a nice day out ( 1/2 day if you are from S Wales )
Nice ice cream, down the pit face, back up, look at the displays, nice coffee, have photo taken infront of the NUM picket caravan ( Ive even taken a red flag for the photo ), ice cream ( again ) gift shop , home, entry is free, its great

anyways, our tour guide was a ex-miner, we got chatting on the tour, while chatting, my daughter who was about 9 - 10 at the time blurted out " Shame the evil witch thatcher shut you all down " ( yes of course she had heard me saying it ) he said " most Miners now think it was the best thing to happen " , he went on to say he was so relived his boy wouldn't have to work down the mine, said he was just starting comprehensive school at the time of the closure and would have certainly followed him down the pit just as he had followed his dad, he chatted about how tough the job was, the risk of death was always with you, out of his group of work mates, no-one was sad to see the pit close

It certainly opened my mind about the mine closures, I was always told in school how Maggie destroyed communities in Wales and it was a pre-planned operation against the working classes, but speaking to this miner ( and he made is clear he wasn't alone in these thoughts ) the pit closure might have been the worse thing to happen

Yeah for sure an ex miner came to work with my dad in his factory in the docks mid 80’s, it was really noisy, dark and dangerous (lots of injuries and the odd death) making anchors and chains for ships. He loved it, walk in the park compared to the mines he used to tell me.

[ninian opinian]

Yeah for sure an ex miner came to work with my dad in his factory in the docks mid 80’s, it was really noisy, dark and dangerous (lots of injuries and the odd death) making anchors and chains for ships. He loved it, walk in the park compared to the mines he used to tell me.

We all know working down the pits was a dangerous job. But closing them without creating other well paid jobs in the valleys was criminal. Still paying for it to this day.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I went to the Big pit a few years back ( we go most years, its a nice day out ( 1/2 day if you are from S Wales )
Nice ice cream, down the pit face, back up, look at the displays, nice coffee, have photo taken infront of the NUM picket caravan ( Ive even taken a red flag for the photo ), ice cream ( again ) gift shop , home, entry is free, its great

anyways, our tour guide was a ex-miner, we got chatting on the tour, while chatting, my daughter who was about 9 - 10 at the time blurted out " Shame the evil witch thatcher shut you all down " ( yes of course she had heard me saying it ) he said " most Miners now think it was the best thing to happen " , he went on to say he was so relived his boy wouldn't have to work down the mine, said he was just starting comprehensive school at the time of the closure and would have certainly followed him down the pit just as he had followed his dad, he chatted about how tough the job was, the risk of death was always with you, out of his group of work mates, no-one was sad to see the pit close

It certainly opened my mind about the mine closures, I was always told in school how Maggie destroyed communities in Wales and it was a pre-planned operation against the working classes, but speaking to this miner ( and he made is clear he wasn't alone in these thoughts ) the pit closure might have been the worse thing to happen

Wow , he said that ?

It's almost like you have made it up