Youtube video claiming only 17,000 died of Covid exposed as inaccurate by BBC

[Cyclops]

"A misleading claim that "only" 17,000 people in England and Wales have died of Covid has been circulating online. The UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) has stepped in to correct the record - but not before the false claim went viral.

"It has become a weapon of the cruel and heartless to dismiss the deaths of the people we love."

Matt Fowler lost his dad to Covid-19 in April 2020. Ian Fowler was 56 at the time of his death, and lived with type 2 diabetes - which his son said had a "minor, barely perceptible impact on his life that he controlled with his diet".

But the suggestion that "only" 17,000 people in England and Wales have died of Covid - a figure arrived at by removing from the data anyone with a pre-existing health condition - completely discounts the deaths of people like Ian."

Link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60145237

Posting misinformation is a wicked thing.

[The Lone Gunman]

Posting misinformation is a wicked thing.

Indeed. And those who wilfully promote what turns out to be misinformation of this nature without first checking it's validity are complete and utter twats.

[Cyclops]

Indeed. And those who wilfully promote what turns out to be misinformation of this nature without first checking it's validity are complete and utter twats.

Pleased you responded in this manner.



Seems the BBC reporter - and several folk on this forum - got completely the wrong end of the stick.

[The Lone Gunman]

Pleased you responded in this manner.

I responded in that manner because I firmly believe it's true.

You and the chuckling 'doctor' can back-track until your bollocks drop off - it'll make no difference. He knew exactly what he was doing when he posted that initial video, just as you knew what you were doing when you started a thread highlighting it on here. You're fooling absolutely nobody now.

Apparently, in your own words, you believed you were helping to expose "the scaremongering tactics of governments," when in fact you were exposing yourself as an idiot.

[Cyclops]

You and the chuckling 'doctor' can back-track until your bollocks drop off - it'll make no difference. He knew exactly what he was doing when he posted that initial video, just as you knew what you were doing when you started a thread highlighting it on here. You're fooling absolutely nobody now.

I would be most interested in your evidence behind your comment that Dr Campbell 'knew exactly was he was doing when he posted that initial video'.
And when you make snide comments like the "chuckling 'doctor'", you really have lost the argument.

In case folk have missed why I started this thread, might it just be that many people (including BBC's Rachel Schraer) have not understood what Dr Campbell was saying?

So - "firmly" misunderstanding what qualified people say (with supporting evidence) eh?

And I'm the idiot!

[The Lone Gunman]

And I'm the idiot!

You are indeed, and you're an idiot who is now desperately backtracking.

On 20/1/22, you boldly posted a thread entitled Deaths from Covid ALONE between Jan 1 2020 to 30/9/2021 only 17,371.

After making a clown of yourself by inadvertently revealing that you post on this message board under multiple usernames, you said "Yeah" in response to a claim that these figures were "incredible."

When I asked what was so incredible about these numbers as they didn't seem even remotely incredible to me, your response was: "Doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't 'get it'."

You went on to suggest: "The main point is being missed here. There is a difference between deaths WITH Covid and deaths FROM Covid. That knowledge should have been factored into how the authorities dealt with the situation."

When it was pointed out to you that practically everyone (including the authorities, obviously) who had been paying any attention to the situation already knew that there was a difference between deaths with Covid and deaths from Covid, but that the overall outcome was pretty much the same regardless, you said:

"What is being exposed here are the scaremongering tactics of governments. Dr Campbell is demonstrating that there is a difference between dying FROM Covid than WITH Covid - in other words, deaths with "Covid" and deaths from "Covid" are completely different."

You also claimed: "As a result of governments' propoganda (sic), the general public, whether healthy or unhealthy, has been duped into a state of fear and panic about the effects of the pandemic," and you then went on to suggest some sort of half-arsed conspiracy by suggesting: "Many who have been monitoring excess deaths have suspected a skewing of the data but didn't have the last piece of the puzzle, ie the low death rate from Covid alone."

You've made a complete fool of yourself. Not only have you accidentally revealed that you post here under multiple usernames, but you've demonstrated that you had no understanding of what was some very basic data. And now you're digging a deeper hole for yourself by pretending you knew the realities of the situation all along and you've somehow been misunderstood.

If I was you, I'd quit while I was well behind. But thankfully I'm not you.

[lardy]

Why have you started a new thread on this? It's only 10 days since your last one, where you also linked his false information video.

[Cyclops]

Why have you started a new thread on this? It's only 10 days since your last one, where you also linked his false information video.

Also glad you've posted this.

[NYCBlue]

I was just reading that a lot of people that are "fooled" by false information don't actually believe it. They just go with it because it suits their political stance. Imagine that.

[Wash DC Blue]

I think that Dr Campbell has been helpful, informative, transparent and objective throughout this shitty period.

He was one of the first people that I watched highlighting the seriousness of the virus and has never downplayed it.
He has also been a massive Vaccine and Mask Wearing proponent.

[Cyclops]

I think that Dr Campbell has been helpful, informative, transparent and objective throughout this shitty period.

He was one of the first people that I watched highlighting the seriousness of the virus and has never downplayed it.
He has also been a massive Vaccine and Mask Wearing proponent.

Is that the "chuckling" 'doctor' (in inverted commas) ?

Hard to reconcile what you said with this description......

[Citizen's Nephew]

Is that the "chuckling" 'doctor' (in inverted commas) ?

Hard to reconcile what you said with this description......

I watched the whole video when you posted it and it was poor compared to his other stuff. He knew exactly what he was doing which in my view trashed all the good stuff that came before. I don't know what his motive was but it was all very dramatic the way he slowly revealed line by line the data only to leave it 'hanging'. That was very unprofessional and damaging. I don't know how much revenue this generated but with over 2M subscribers I'm guessing a lot.

[Cyclops]

I watched the whole video when you posted it and it was poor compared to his other stuff. He knew exactly what he was doing which in my view trashed all the good stuff that came before. I don't know what his motive was but it was all very dramatic the way he slowly revealed line by line the data only to leave it 'hanging'. That was very unprofessional and damaging. I don't know how much revenue this generated but with over 2M subscribers I'm guessing a lot.

You sure you're reading the runes correctly here?
There had been posts elswhere about the 17,000 deaths (which had been rubbished) before he posted.

[Citizen's Nephew]

You sure you're reading the runes correctly here?
There had been posts elswhere about the 17,000 deaths (which had been rubbished) before he posted.

? I must be living in some alternate reality because I could have sworn you started a thread about this with the clickbait Dr and the clickbait data in order to generate clickbait. I don't remember him referring to any 'rubbished' data in his video (I can't be bothered to watch the whole thing again). I'll apologise in advance if I'm wrong. Am I wrong? If he didn't reference it then why did you post it and leave it with....actually, you know what. Forget it. I don't care enough to continue this.

[Canton Kev]

You sure you're reading the runes correctly here?
There had been posts elswhere about the 17,000 deaths (which had been rubbished) before he posted.

Then why post it if you’d already seen it be rubbished?

[az city]

The thing I find absolutely astounding about this thread is that this "retired nurse educator" has amassed 2M Youtube followers. What do these people think he understands? He's not an experienced pulmonologist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, virologist etc. He trained nurses before retiring. And noble as that is, it means he knows as much about Coivd-19 as Bill down the local boozer. Humans are doomed.

[Tokyo Blue]

The thing I find absolutely astounding about this thread is that this "retired nurse educator" has amassed 2M Youtube followers. What do these people think he understands? He's not an experienced pulmonologist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, virologist etc. He trained nurses before retiring. And noble as that is, it means he knows as much about Coivd-19 as Bill down the local boozer. Humans are doomed.

Multiple members of Sage either don't or didn't have any of those qualifications, and yet they influence government policy. What's your point?

Clearly he understands more than you as he scrutinises data without an agenda and doesn't seek to reinforce a narrative. The BBC have outrightly misrepresented him and defamed him by accusing him of diminishing the emotional impact of those who have died. He should sue their bloody bollocks off.

But had you condescended to watch his rebuttal video where he explains his position in relation to the BBC tripe, then you yourself would be aware of this.

[TWGL1]

This hokum has been "skewed" from.the very start… “within 28 of days of a positive test “

Imagine if they tested everyone who died within 28 days of flu, which has disappeared this year ?

Even Sajid Javid suggested the figure is skewed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-virus-admits/

[Citizen's Nephew]

This hokum has been "skewed" from.the very start… “within 28 of days of a positive test “

Imagine if they tested everyone who died within 28 days of flu, which has disappeared this year ?

Even Sajid Javid suggested the figure is skewed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-virus-admits/

Or who ate cornflakes the morning they died.

FFS. You do know that you don't need to have any medical knowledge to be the Health Secretary or a journalist, don't you?

[TWGL1]

Or who ate cornflakes the morning they died.

FFS. You do know that you don't need to have any medical knowledge to be the Health Secretary or a journalist, don't you?

Of course you don’t , but his advisors do don’t they , otherwise he is also misleading the public ?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Of course you don’t , but his advisors do don’t they , otherwise he is also misleading the public ?

No politician would ever do that.

[TWGL1]

Neither would the BBC

[Hilts]

Youve had a mare here Cyclops.

[Cyclops]

Youve had a mare here Cyclops.

Explain, please

[Canton Kev]

Youve had a mare here Cyclops.

Time to change accounts and come back fresh.