Ashton Gate vandalism - extra £1 on all away tickets.

[Jimmy the Jock]

I don’t think any of the fans really want to pay it so just send the club a cheque for £20k.

We dont get 20,000 away , well not every game .
Our supporters smashed the toilets , the only thing we have in common with them is we follow Cardiff.

I feel responsible , don't you ?

[Baloo]

We dont get 20,000 away , well not every game .
Our supporters smashed the toilets , the only thing we have in common with them is we follow Cardiff.

I feel responsible , don't you ?

Perhaps you’d like to contribute towards their fines too in your spirit of solidarity with them. I find I have much more in common with fans of other clubs than some of our fans.

[Nobody's Rep]

£1 isn't going to break the bank but I just don't understand why anyone thought this was a good idea.

We're playing Huddersfield away in 3 weeks time on a Wednesday night. So we're going to reward our fans who travel on a near 450 mile round trip with an extra charge... to teach those who smashed the toilets up in Bristol a lesson (I can almost guarantee none of those will be in Huddersfield).

As I said the £1 isn't an issue, it's the whole principle behind it.

As it stands I bought my Millwall and Huddersfield tickets a while ago... So I'm £2 up

Disagree with the clubs decision on this but we have other measures in place for away games put in place because of the mindless few that cause inconvenience and have down the years

I live about 7.miles from the liberty but it costs me time and money when I have gone (don't bother now) due to it being a bubble, various rv. points etc for some games and surely part of the reason we see some high prices for our away support due to added costs of hosting us e.g. More stewarding bigger police bill etc.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Perhaps you’d like to contribute towards their fines too in your spirit of solidarity with them. I find I have much more in common with fans of other clubs than some of our fans.

yep .

I wasn't there , but happy to contribute.

Mumsnet might be more your cup of tea?

[Baloo]

yep .

I wasn't there , but happy to contribute.

Mumsnet might be more your cup of tea?

I’ve no idea what Mumsnet is. Perhaps you could explain,

[The Hooded Claw]

I’ve no idea what Mumsnet is. Perhaps you could explain,

Sludge might know…

[Jimmy the Jock]

Sludge might know…

he wouldn't know how much a ticket is to watch CCFC ..........

[blue matt]

And another thing....how long will it go on for? Say the damage costs £10,000. That means it's paid for once 10,000 people go to away matches. Say 1000 at Barnsley, 2500 at Millwall, 1200 Huddersfield, 2500 at QPR, 1000 Middlesbrough, and 2500 at reading should see it done. If it goes on any longer than that, then they're saving up for something...
I hope someone keeps track.

if they keep it going though they will be in credit for the next Time

[Dave Blue]

Disagree with the clubs decision on this but we have other measures in place for away games put in place because of the mindless few that cause inconvenience and have down the years

I live about 7.miles from the liberty but it costs me time and money when I have gone (don't bother now) due to it being a bubble, various rv. points etc for some games and surely part of the reason we see some high prices for our away support due to added costs of hosting us e.g. More stewarding bigger police bill etc.

Quite right. I expect the £33 Bristol charged had potential damage priced in.

[ccfcwelshlad]

We are all in it together ...
I will reimburse anyone who feels they shouldn't pay for their fellow supporters

They're not fellow supporters, they're ***** who can't behave and smashed up a set of toilets.

[Dorcus]

Still it's the bloody ar*eholes who caused the damage we should be directing our anger at.

[Delbert]

I appreciate the board don’t have a clue how to run a football club but this really is stupid even by their standards. Their most loyal supporters, who had absolutely nothing to do with the vandalism, now have to pay for the damage on behalf of the “anti-social and criminal actions of a minority” who won’t be turning up until the next high profile hooligan game!

These vandals are not supporters and are highly unlikely to be members of “Cardiff City Supporter Bodies”. During their “consultation” with the club did these supporters groups really think their members would agree it’s fair that after supporting their team away and having their toilets smashed up they should then be told its their responsibility to pay for the damage on behalf of the criminal scum who did it?

[MacAdder]

Shouldn’t be up to fans to self-police drunken idiots. That’s what the police and stewards are paid for.

^^^this

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that a huge amount of additional money was spent on a large police presence for the visit of Cardiff.
What the feck were they doing when all this was going on?

Not only should the police have been around to nullify the vandalism but they should be around to safeguard the public from these drugged up louts.

IMHO the police should pay at least half the bill for their poor performance

[delmbox]

What an odd reply

I'm just saying you're complaining about having spending a fortune travelling away, overnights in Liverpool etc. No one's making you do that, you're choosing to spend money on a pastime you enjoy. You're making a weekend on the piss in Liverpool watching football with your friends sound like some heroic act

[Splott-light...]

More than just threats..

[William Treseder]

What’s the point moaning about this on a MB? It’s always been the way, throughout history. It’s the easiest and laziest way, to make the majority pay, for the actions of the minority.

[Gofer Blue]

What’s the point moaning about this on a MB? It’s always been the way, throughout history. It’s the easiest and laziest way, to make the majority pay, for the actions of the minority.

If you are not happy with the club's idea then write to them - no point in whining on this MB. Of course that requires effort which some might find a little too difficult if used to just firing off a few sentences electronically.

I should imagine if Dalman and/or Choo suddenly received a few thousand letters in the post then they might just get the message!

[blue matt]

while of course the idea is wrong, and the club have a bit of a cheek to do it, it is only £1 , thats not even a can of coke, I am sure it is a very very small % of the cost of a away day outing

[Whisperer]

The same Gwyn Davies who made threats to supporters who challenged the rebrand? I’m not sure he’s best example to use or some of the peanuts who used to travel on the valley rams coaches. I used them a couple of times and it was an eye opener and I’m not easily shocked.

I hear you Hartley, I was coming more from the principle than the personality so the way I see it is if these dickheads are not challenged by our own fans then they think it's the norm. I pulled a guy for driving like a fecking idiot down my street last night- sure it should be down to the old bill but you never see one when you need em.

[J R Hartley]

I hear you Hartley, I was coming more from the principle than the personality so the way I see it is if these dickheads are not challenged by our own fans then they think it's the norm. I pulled a guy for driving like a fecking idiot down my street last night- sure it should be down to the old bill but you never see one when you need em.

I hear what you’re saying mate I just think to ask the average Joe to confront these morons is asking for trouble. They are full of lager and gear and being aggressive. I’d say the majority of people on here and social media saying “why did the ones standing around / filming not do anything?” wouldnt have done anything themselves.

[dml1954]

I appreciate the board don’t have a clue how to run a football club but this really is stupid even by their standards. Their most loyal supporters, who had absolutely nothing to do with the vandalism, now have to pay for the damage on behalf of the “anti-social and criminal actions of a minority” who won’t be turning up until the next high profile hooligan game!

These vandals are not supporters and are highly unlikely to be members of “Cardiff City Supporter Bodies”. During their “consultation” with the club did these supporters groups really think their members would agree it’s fair that after supporting their team away and having their toilets smashed up they should then be told its their responsibility to pay for the damage on behalf of the criminal scum who did it?

How do you know that those people aren't regular supporters or wont be going until the next ‘hooligan game’ ? Its called collective responsibility anyway. Its up to the majority of loyal fans to help stop this type of thing happening, instead of just standing by, watching and laughing, which in itself helps give them the recognition and publicity they crave.

[The Bloop]

I hear what you’re saying mate I just think to ask the average Joe to confront these morons is asking for trouble. They are full of lager and gear and being aggressive. I’d say the majority of people on here and social media saying “why did the ones standing around / filming not do anything?” wouldnt have done anything themselves.

Exactly. If a fan confronted these morons and was attacked, leaving them potentially needing hospital treatment and taking time off work to recover, I doubt the club would stick a pound on the ticket price to cover their loss of earnings, or to pay privately for any treatment. They'd soon distance themselves from it.

[Croesy Blue]

while of course the idea is wrong, and the club have a bit of a cheek to do it, it is only £1 , thats not even a can of coke, I am sure it is a very very small % of the cost of a away day outing

It’s the principle no one gives a shit about the actual cost. A company with a billionaire owners that’s just sold an asset for a few million asking normal working people to shell out for something they didn’t do.

And people saying about self policing must be ****ing high, who’s going into a toilets being smashed up by 20 dick heads and asking them to stop?

They have a culprits on video, why not extort them instead?

[Croesy Blue]

How do you know that those people aren't regular supporters or wont be going until the next ‘hooligan game’ ? Its called collective responsibility anyway. Its up to the majority of loyal fans to help stop this type of thing happening, instead of just standing by, watching and laughing, which in itself helps give them the recognition and publicity they crave.

Tory voter wants socialism for toilet smashing. You thick c*nt

[Citizen's Nephew]

Exactly. If a fan confronted these morons and was attacked, leaving them potentially needing hospital treatment and taking time off work to recover, I doubt the club would stick a pound on the ticket price to cover their loss of earnings, or to pay privately for any treatment. They'd soon distance themselves from it.

I agree. The disappointing thing for me is the way it's 'dismissed' as anti-social behavior (ASB). What I mean by that is that for all ASB there are victims. The club and the EFL don't talk about these aspects and the impact of the behaviour on other people. Even the ticket price increase has an impact and creates victims of ASB. It shouldn't be dismissed as a mere financial problem to be solved.

The club and the EFL should highlight what something like the trashing of toilets does to people. The impact on disabled people for example. The degradation and humiliation of piss*ing or sh*tting yourself. They should humanise the impact and not dress it solely as a financial problem to overcome.

They should consult properly with the supporter's clubs and disability groups and get statements and publish them on the club website and give WOL a press release.

There are other things that just don't make sense either. The footage. Facial recognition software? The fact that many ST holders couldn't get tickets (I wanted to go but couldn't) clearly tickets ended up in the wrong hands. Why isn't the club investigating this aspect? Why aren't they naming the fans who have been issued bans? How long are these bans?

I went to Wembley for a match a few years ago and there were sniffer dogs checking the ticket lines. JR quite rightly highlighted that cocaine use is a societal problem. If it's a problem at football then shouldn't the police and clubs be doing something about it?

This was a massive Health & Safety issue and requires a thorough investigation. Self-policing is not an option and shouldn't be encouraged. The police and stewards are there for OUR protection and ensure events like this don't happen. Who is asking the questions as to why this happened the way it did?

This is so much bigger than whacking a few quid on the price of an away ticket and really needs to be challenged by the groups I've mentioned as well as fans on an individual basis. I'm going to send a copy of this post to the club. Mrs C will do the same. I suggest others let the club know that they're creating victims of this ASB and making innocent people pay for it. I'm totally against it.