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    No doubt we'll soon be seeing footage of dyed in the wool Tory voters praising the integrity of those MPs who’ve resigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    No doubt we'll soon be seeing footage of dyed in the wool Tory voters praising the integrity of those MPs who’ve resigned.
    As Churchill said: "oh yes!"

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    Mr Integrity Matt Hancock withdraws his support


    The rats are all coming out of the sewer

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    Are we going to get a general election out of this ?

    I can't see starmer winning as he's hopeless

    But at least a dent could be made in the majority ?

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    It would be an insult to monkeys to say put a blue rosette on a monkey and some people would vote for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    I would assume many conservative voters wouldn’t care about some of that above.
    That’s the exact point isn’t it? These people resigning aren’t doing so morally, because they have no morals. They’re doing it to save their own skin.

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    Was there such a long thread of joy when Bob Bradley was sacked at Swansea, he was shocking his loss rate was brilliant and he really weakened the opposition, I would have liked him to have stayed forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudy gestede View Post
    That’s the exact point isn’t it? These people resigning aren’t doing so morally, because they have no morals. They’re doing it to save their own skin.
    I keep the clip of them all cheering the failure of the nurses pay rise vote on my phone as a constant reminder. All of this pseudo-outrage directed at Johnson when they've been enabling a narcissistic personality disorder in order to jerk off to power and privilege makes me want to vomit.

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    She wants to be leader , calls for Johnson to quit , but wont resign.

    What a govt.

    All goes back to Brexit. Jobs for incompetent boys and girls.

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    It would be surprising if the dishonourable member would resign. He'd need the same spin doctor as Putin if Russia would give up in the Ukraine. Surely their best bet now is to find a relatively untainted outsider as leader and hope to gain some electoral confidence before 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Was there such a long thread of joy when Bob Bradley was sacked at Swansea, he was shocking his loss rate was brilliant and he really weakened the opposition, I would have liked him to have stayed forever!
    After Cullis any other Swansea manager in history can be classed as a genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    After Cullis any other Swansea manager in history can be classed as a genius.
    Just googled what happened after, they had Jimmy Rimmer for two games as caretaker then Jan Molby who improved them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I keep the clip of them all cheering the failure of the nurses pay rise vote on my phone as a constant reminder. All of this pseudo-outrage directed at Johnson when they've been enabling a narcissistic personality disorder in order to jerk off to power and privilege makes me want to vomit.
    Zahawi called for a 9% pay increase for teachers. Hes now Chancellor. Will he act or was it all bullsh!t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Zahawi called for a 9% pay increase for teachers. Hes now Chancellor. Will he act or was it all bullsh!t.
    I'd imagine they'll all go back to old posts whle the new leader is elected?

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    BBC has said Boris isgoing to resign.

    Letter now beiong written apparently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    BBC has said Boris isgoing to resign.

    Letter now beiong written apparently
    He’s staying until the autumn it seems while they elect a new leader, but how can all of these people who have resigned go back to their old jobs as if nothings changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    He’s staying until the autumn it seems while they elect a new leader, but how can all of these people who have resigned go back to their old jobs as if nothings changed?
    Ludicrous but perfectly in keeping with his character. The idea that he can command respect or service from a Cabinet, Party or country during the next three months is pie in the sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    He’s staying until the autumn it seems while they elect a new leader, but how can all of these people who have resigned go back to their old jobs as if nothings changed?
    They have work to do, they'll know the jobs and what needs to be done, the resignations were just a mutiny to push Boris as he wouldn't go himself.

    The quicker they get a new leader the quicker, it's probably the worst possible time!

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    I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

    Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

    They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

    Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

    They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.
    Yes there could be a much more effective way to run a country, if you ran a business in the same way as we run the country it would be a total disaster.

    It is not gong to change until the motivation is there for the MPs to start acting differently. At the moment their only incentive is to get voted in again next time, and maybe get themselves a more important job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Yes there could be a much more effective way to run a country, if you ran a business in the same way as we run the country it would be a total disaster.

    It is not gong to change until the motivation is there for the MPs to start acting differently. At the moment their only incentive is to get voted in again next time, and maybe get themselves a more important job.
    Exactly this. They talk about supporting businesses then watch them rot. They sit as overpaid executives on boards that want a Trophy Director who's covertly lobbying in government (actually they're so brazen now they've stopped doing that) who's got no f*cking clue how to run the business of which they are a board member. The motivation of our state employees should be to help its citizens. Not just the ones who voted for their party or brand of politics. All of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    Exactly this. They talk about supporting businesses then watch them rot. They sit as overpaid executives on boards that want a Trophy Director who's covertly lobbying in government (actually they're so brazen now they've stopped doing that) who's got no f*cking clue how to run the business of which they are a board member. The motivation of our state employees should be to help its citizens. Not just the ones who voted for their party or brand of politics. All of us.
    In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

    Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

    Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now
    That's not really a conservative achievement though is it. It's what any country should do when 90% of people can't go to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

    Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now
    Lardy just answered this. I've just got to say, you know we live in completely different world's right? There's no point us doing the same dance over and over again just for the sake of it. I think you're a really bright guy but we have completely different motivations in life and clearly completely different experiences. I'm tired of the status quo James. I'll no longer support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
    I've said before I'm totally done with political parties and prefer direct activism these days.

    Parliament needs to work together. Get the brightest and best of all parties and sort the mess out. I cringed earlier this week listening to Starmer. I cringe listening to all political party leaders. Labour needs to work with everyone else and stop this idea of a party 'winning' an election but remember that each MP is representing real people with real problems in the real world. Westminster is not fit for purpose.

    They fail with their basic duty of care. They'd be fired in the world I live in.
    100%

    Under the current system, less than half the electorate can vote a party into a landslide victory.

    Even in Blair's first election I think Labour got well under half the votes.

    Some are calling for proportional rep in elections - why shouldn't the government appoint a cabinet according to the % of votes?

    The way we have now sees us swinging from right to left snd back every few years.

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