Starmer and Rayner cleared.

[the other bob wilson]

Not sure if that’s good news for Labour.

[Rjk]

I'd say it is. Not that I'm a fan of Starmer at all, but it would be pretty helpful to the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade if they were fined and Starmer resigned as well.
If both Labour and the Conservatives were having to select a new leader after one resigned it makes it seem as though there's an equivalence in their actions - which there isn't of course.

Let the Tories choose a new leader and see if they can get the general public to forget the lies and the shambles they've put us through

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I'd say it is. Not that I'm a fan of Starmer at all, but it would be pretty helpful to the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade if they were fined and Starmer resigned as well.
If both Labour and the Conservatives were having to select a new leader after one resigned it makes it seem as though there's an equivalence in their actions - which there isn't of course.

Let the Tories choose a new leader and see if they can get the general public to forget the lies and the shambles they've put us through

It's been tough hasn't it

[splott parker]

It's been tough hasn't it

Never forget that it was on Johnson’s watch that Bale didn’t sign.

[the other bob wilson]

I'd say it is. Not that I'm a fan of Starmer at all, but it would be pretty helpful to the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade if they were fined and Starmer resigned as well.
If both Labour and the Conservatives were having to select a new leader after one resigned it makes it seem as though there's an equivalence in their actions - which there isn't of course.

Let the Tories choose a new leader and see if they can get the general public to forget the lies and the shambles they've put us through

I’m watching last nights Question Time at the moment and the point was made well that Labour won Wakefield for anti Tory reasons - there was a survey that showed that the first twenty reasons why people switched from the Conservatives were negatives for them, there was nothing indicating that Labour has come up with anything to win them back. For myself, I’m far more an anti Tory now than I am pro Labour.

Starmer has said he has no intention of speaking to the SNP and we’re hearing nothing about altering the current, unfair, first past the post system. Labour and the other opposition parties have it in their power to rout the Tories, but, it’s not going to happen while Labour thinks they can form a majority Government on the back of dissatisfaction with the Conservatives.

[Rjk]

I’m watching last nights Question Time at the moment and the point was made well that Labour won Wakefield for anti Tory reasons - there was a survey that showed that the first twenty reasons why people switched from the Conservatives were negatives for them, there was nothing indicating that Labour has come up with anything to win them back. For myself, I’m far more an anti Tory now than I am pro Labour.

Starmer has said he has no intention of speaking to the SNP and were hearing nothing about altering the current, unfair, first past the post system. Labour and the other opposition parties have it in their power to rout the Tories, but, it’s not going to happen while Labour thinks they can form a majority Government on the back of dissatisfaction with the Conservatives.

Yeah Starmer just hasn't done anything, really.

Initially I thought he was just keeping his powder dry as to go on a full offensive during the pandemic etc would have turned some voters off, but now I'm wondering if he's got a spark at all.
I have little doubt he'd be a better prime minister than Boris Johnson, who is a ridiculous man, but I don't think he has the buffoon's ability to inspire people to believe in him.

Even so, the Conservatives main problem at the moment is winning people's confidence back. Starmer and Rayner getting fines and then resigning as well would just hand them a massive open goal to dismiss the whole thing and move on.

Research has shown that the last 18 months before an election are by far the most important, as voters tend to forget what was going on before that, or diminish its importance. As such there will have been little actual benefit for Labour to have been pushing their own ideas up until now, as it just gives them more time to be shot down. I just hope they have actually got something to inspire people when the time comes.

[Canton Kev]

I’m not too surprised. Keir “party animal” Starmer isn’t exactly an easy picture to imagine.

[jon1959]

Not sure if that’s good news for Labour.

From what I have read over the months that seems to be the right outcome.

But isn't this the police force that also cleared Dominic Cummings?

On balance it is 'good news' for Labour. But I have lost confidence that Labour is 'good news' for us. Better than the Tories but it is a very low bar!

[Dorcus]

From what I have read over the months that seems to be the right outcome.

But isn't this the police force that also cleared Dominic Cummings?

On balance it is 'good news' for Labour. But I have lost confidence that Labour is 'good news' for us. Better than the Tories but it is a very low bar!

I think it is on balance good news. Hopefully it will shut up many more of the "they're all the same" brigade.

However in my opinion Starmer is a poor choice of Labour leader and there will be a perfect chance to replace him with his head held high when we get to know who the new Tory leader will be. It would be great to have a confident, charismatic progressive leader ready and fired up to start tackling the Tory incumbent.

But that may be sometime in the future. At the moment I'd happily settle for tactical voting to oust these incompetent charlatans. Anything, and I mean anything but the Tories!!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Starmer and Rayner are hopeless , she's unelectable

Get rid of both of them

[Dorcus]

Starmer and Rayner are hopeless , she's unelectable

Get rid of both of them

I'd give her one

[JamesWales]

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

[The Lone Gunman]

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

I feel your pain. Must be awful for you. Crushed.

[Claude Blue]

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

Of course JW knows more about this case than the Durham Constabulary as he truly is the font of all knowledge

Thoughts and prayers to you at this difficult time.

[The Lone Gunman]

Of course JW knows more about this case than the Durham Constabulary as he truly is the font of all knowledge.

It's obvious that the Met only fined Johnson and his cronies because the force is a corrupt collection of anti-Tory lefties. And the Durham Constabulary only let Starmer and Rayner off because that force is also a corrupt collection anti-Tory lefties. One rule for Labour, another for the Tories. Or something like that.

[North Cardiff Blue]

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

Played right into their hands the Dailly Mail and Sun can refer back to this for years One rule for them one rule for us could stick, when Ben or Tom can bury it all with Boris and a clean slate.

[Rjk]

Played right into their hands the Dailly Mail and Sun can refer back to this for years One rule for them one rule for us could stick, when Ben or Tom can bury it all with Boris and a clean slate.

ok sure

[Eric Cartman]

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

Well quite, The true score should probably be about 5-1 to Boris on FPNs rather than 1-0 based on everything we know.

[Citizen's Nephew]

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

...who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

How sh*t must they be if they can't even share a cake properly?

[the other bob wilson]

In the space of 24 hours, it does rather seem that the phrase One rule for us, another for everyone else applies to the Labour Party more now.

Morally, there is no way that travelling across the country and drinking booze and eating pizza in the evening prior to an election with people is less of an issue than people working together in the most important office in the country who are tested daily, sharing a cake.

Nonetheless, there we are.

I was surprised when Johnson was fined just the once, but accepted the decision the Met made, you should do the same here. The Police (the same force that took no action against Dominic Cummings at a time when the Tories were on his side) have investigated the Labour leader and his deputy and decided that there is no case to answer - frankly, your one rule for Labour and another rule for everyone else nonsense is a pretty feeble effort, it’s as if you thought you have to post something because it’s what your expected to do, but your heart wasn’t really in it.

[Claude Blue]

I was surprised when Johnson was fined just the once, but accepted the decision the Met made, you should do the same here. The Police (the same force that took no action against Dominic Cummings at a time when the Tories were on his side) have investigated the Labour leader and his deputy and decided that there is no case to answer - frankly, your one rule for Labour and another rule for everyone else nonsense is a pretty feeble effort, it’s as if you thought you have to post something because it’s what your expected to do, but your heart wasn’t really in it.

More a case of his mask slipping, as it does occasionally, away from his Mr. Balance/Nuance act.

[JamesWales]

I was surprised when Johnson was fined just the once, but accepted the decision the Met made, you should do the same here. The Police (the same force that took no action against Dominic Cummings at a time when the Tories were on his side) have investigated the Labour leader and his deputy and decided that there is no case to answer - frankly, your one rule for Labour and another rule for everyone else nonsense is a pretty feeble effort, it’s as if you thought you have to post something because it’s what your expected to do, but your heart wasn’t really in it.

I completely accept it.

It's just in the context of the old adage "One rule for them, another for us" this now applies to Labour more than the Tories. Johnson has lost his job. Rishi Sunak was fined. Starmer has gotten away with it on the technicality that they continued working after drinking beer..as if no one did so after Johnson ate cake.

You guys know there is a clear inconsistency here.

As I've said all along - both are completely taken out of all proportion, especially when we see everything else happening in the world.

[Citizen's Nephew]

I completely accept it.

It's just in the context of the old adage "One rule for them, another for us" this now applies to Labour more than the Tories. Johnson has lost his job. Rishi Sunak was fined. Starmer has gotten away with it on the technicality that they continued working after drinking beer..as if no one did so after Johnson ate cake.

You guys know there is a clear inconsistency here.

As I've said all along - both are completely taken out of all proportion, especially when we see everything else happening in the world.

Yes, yes, we do.

[Rjk]

I completely accept it.

It's just in the context of the old adage "One rule for them, another for us" this now applies to Labour more than the Tories. Johnson has lost his job. Starmer has gotten away with it on the technicality that they continued working after drinking beer..as if no one did so after Johnson ate cake.

You guys know there is a clear inconsistency here.

As I've said all along - both are completely taken out of all proportion, especially when we see everything else happening in the world.

It was pretty obvious that Starmer wasn't going to get fined, as I've been saying all along.

In the meantime HUNDREDS of fines were handed out to those at Downing street and it seems pretty fortunate that Boris Johnson only got one.

[Citizen's Nephew]

It was pretty obvious that Starmer wasn't going to get fined, as I've been saying all along.

In the meantime HUNDREDS of fines were handed out to those at Downing street and it seems pretty fortunate that Boris Johnson only got one.

The Guardian are leading with James Wales' Face Found In Johnson's Cake