Souness

[Trigger]

Nothing wrong with the women's game, it's clearly almost a different sport to the men's game but that's ok.

There has undoubtedly been a massive drive from mainstream media to promote it far beyond anywhere it would naturally have been.

I'm not sure I even care too much about it myself but I think there are plenty of other sports which would love even a slice of the attention.

[Ninja]

We’ve had shite refs for years. All men. You’d reject us having a higher standard of refereeing just because they’re a woman? Why? Should we not have women working in the club shop? The bars? The ticket office? On the physio teams? As medics? Etc. Which jobs in football should women be allowed to work in and which ones shouldn’t they be allowed to work in in your opinion?

If a woman had been able to spot Chelsea scoring from half a mile offside I’d have preferred her on the touch line 4 years ago than the bloke that missed it and all but cemented our relegation.

Is blurred lines your favourite song by any chance?
This is not about equal opportunities or employment, it's about women ABSOLUTELY having the rights to play and officiate their OWN game.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only bloke that feels we simply should have had a better male ref for the Chelsea match.

[Canton Kev]

Is blurred lines your favourite song by any chance?
This is not about equal opportunities or employment, it's about women ABSOLUTELY having the rights to play and officiate their OWN game.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only bloke that feels we simply should have had a better male ref for the Chelsea match.

But what is the issue? Men can also officiate in the womens game.

[Ninja]

But what is the issue? Men can also officiate in the womens game.

In all fairness, the officiating is probably the smallest issue but it could easily be argued that there are blokes out there, better qualified, that can't get a break because of all the equality bollocks.

As for commentary etc, let's be honest... Some of these women don't sound like they've got a scooby!

[Canton Kev]

In all fairness, the officiating is probably the smallest issue but it could easily be argued that there are blokes out there, better qualified, that can't get a break because of all the equality bollocks.

As for commentary etc, let's be honest... Some of these women don't sound like they've got a scooby!

Can it be argued? All I see from the EFL on the subject is talks about the lack of referees in training. Refs are in very high demand.

If there are better blokes out there, is it the 100’s of male refs a week blocking them from a job or the handful of women?

[North Cardiff Blue]

In all fairness, the officiating is probably the smallest issue but it could easily be argued that there are blokes out there, better qualified, that can't get a break because of all the equality bollocks.

As for commentary etc, let's be honest... Some of these women don't sound like they've got a scooby!

That's my main issue, Souness shouldn't have to be thinking about what he has to say for fear of causing offence, that karen wasn't very good and we could have had a good commentator it would have been brilliant wth Roy Keene/Gary Neville/Shearer/ instead.

If they are good enough great but don't just give people a pundits job for equality reasons in football or any other sport.

[Citizen's Nephew]

That's my main issue, Souness shouldn't have to be thinking about what he has to say for fear of causing offence, that karen wasn't very good and we could have had a good commentator it would have been brilliant wth Roy Keene/Gary Neville/Shearer/ instead.

If they are good enough great but don't just give people a pundits job for equality reasons in football or any other sport.

Yeah, I agree with you. Just good-old fashioned able-bodied footballers who've been out of the game for what seems like a century.

F*ck me, I can't wait for people's heads to explode when a transgender, disabled, referee gives the opposition a penalty at CSS. I hope I live long enough to actually see that.

[the other bob wilson]

That's my main issue, Souness shouldn't have to be thinking about what he has to say for fear of causing offence, that karen wasn't very good and we could have had a good commentator it would have been brilliant wth Roy Keene/Gary Neville/Shearer/ instead.

If they are good enough great but don't just give people a pundits job for equality reasons in football or any other sport.

Don’t you think that, as with men, you get good and bad woman pundits? Some of the female pundits at the Euros added nothing to the coverage, but I think Karen Carney has improved lately, Jill Scott has always been good, as is Enny(?) Aluko, while Jayne Ludlow has always been the most knowledgeable pundit on any programme she’s appeared on as far as I’m concerned, Emma Hayes knows her stuff as well.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Don’t you think that, as with men, you get good and bad woman pundits? Some of the female pundits at the Euros added nothing to the coverage, but I think Karen Carney has improved lately, Jill Scott has always been good, as is Enny(?) Aluko, while Jayne Ludlow has always been the most knowledgeable pundit on any programme she’s appeared on as far as I’m concerned, Emma Hayes knows her stuff as well.

Are they in your top six pundits?

[the other bob wilson]

Are they in your top six pundits?

Well, that a way of avoiding my question I suppose - I’ll answer yours by saying that Jayne Ludlow would be and Alex Scott (not Jill as I said earlier) and Emma Hayes would be candidates to be in my top six.

[Ninja]

Yeah, I agree with you. Just good-old fashioned able-bodied footballers who've been out of the game for what seems like a century.

F*ck me, I can't wait for people's heads to explode when a transgender, disabled, referee gives the opposition a penalty at CSS. I hope I live long enough to actually see that.

You're so "woke"!
Good on you!

[Citizen's Nephew]

You're so "woke"!
Good on you!

I probably think this thread is about me.

[Ninja]

So, they’re bringing in mixed games are they? Load of snowflakes feeling threatened for no reason.

I saw Souness’ comment, it was a poor phrase to use, especially with a woman who won close to three times the number of international caps he did sat next to him. The daft thing is that what Souness was saying had nothing to do with the women’s game, he was just trying to say he was pleased football had got its physicality back, but, by doubling down on his “it’s a man’s game” comment we’re now in a position where there are radio interviews taking place with women in football claiming he said mens football was better than the woman's game - he said no such thing, but he should have chosen his words better.

Not only did many many people feel it was a veiled dig, but Souness himself goes on air this morning standing by his comments.
No "oh it was unfortunately worded" as you've suggested Bob, simply stating that he didn't regret a word of it.
Take that as you will.

[Ivortheengine]

Behind him all the way. Football IS a MAN’S game

[Tuerto]

Behind him all the way. Football IS a MAN’S game

No wonder you were shit.

[Ninja]

I can fully see that there’s a drive for equality nowadays so no test required ta. What’s hilarious is when people like you have a tantrum about it like equality is somehow grossly unfair to you

Where did I say equality was unfair.
You know the points I've made, yet you bypass them deliberately in order to point-score, and attempt to somehow make yourself look/feel good.
It's failing miserably delmbox, bypassing the actual points/debate does nothing to score you points, or make you look any better

[delmbox]

Where did I say equality was unfair.
You know the points I've made, yet you bypass them deliberately in order to point-score, and attempt to somehow make yourself look/feel good.
It's failing miserably delmbox, bypassing the actual points/debate does nothing to score you points, or make you look any better

I think it was when you complained about equality as being “shoved down our throats” that I first suspected you weren’t 100% cool with it

Oh and in terms of the OP, Souness is a clown who’s stuck in the past but I think he was probably just a bit clumsy yesterday, I’ve got no real strong opinions about it

[Divine Wright]

Ninja's opinions...sorry "points", reminds me of this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

[2b2bdoo]

People are literally looking to be offended and these media clickbait pages on places like Facebook are to blame just as much.

[J R Hartley]

This MB is going to the dogs. Lot’s of threads like this one, seems to spiral out of control in next to no time.. i’d guess the general census all over the UK is that Souness didn’t say anything out of line, and there’s nowt wrong with women’s football. End of really?

Yes I have to agree with the flower man this place has become hysterical. I wish my muscle memory would stop me clicking on the web icon. Life’s too short to waste on here reading people getting hysterical for nothing.

Context is everything, Souness meant it was a man’s game from the physical aspect and in modern times we had somehow moved away from it with a lot of play acting, feigning injury.etc

He was commentating on a MENS football match played by 22 MEN. To suggest he was saying it’s a man’s game and therefore it’s not a woman’s game is an absolute nonsense.

[TWGL1]

Yes I have to agree with the flower man this place has become hysterical. I wish my muscle memory would stop me clicking on the web icon. Life’s too short to waste on here reading people getting hysterical for nothing.

Context is everything, Souness meant it was a man’s game from the physical aspect and in modern times we had somehow moved away from it with a lot of play acting, feigning injury.etc

He was commentating on a MENS football match played by 22 MEN. To suggest he was saying it’s a man’s game and therefore it’s not a woman’s game is an absolute nonsense.

[goats]

Yes I have to agree with the flower man this place has become hysterical. I wish my muscle memory would stop me clicking on the web icon. Life’s too short to waste on here reading people getting hysterical for nothing.

Context is everything, Souness meant it was a man’s game from the physical aspect and in modern times we had somehow moved away from it with a lot of play acting, feigning injury.etc

He was commentating on a MENS football match played by 22 MEN. To suggest he was saying it’s a man’s game and therefore it’s not a woman’s game is an absolute nonsense.

Aye Simon Jordan summed it up well like that on TS with Souness today. Nothing to see here let’s move along

[TWGL1]

Aye Simon Jordan summed it up well like that on TS with Souness today. Nothing to see here let’s move along

Historic tweet from Karen Carney

https://twitter.com/mcd20380/status/...IyHWo0NrKct-vQ

[Michael Morris]

Yes I have to agree with the flower man this place has become hysterical. I wish my muscle memory would stop me clicking on the web icon. Life’s too short to waste on here reading people getting hysterical for nothing.

Context is everything, Souness meant it was a man’s game from the physical aspect and in modern times we had somehow moved away from it with a lot of play acting, feigning injury.etc

He was commentating on a MENS football match played by 22 MEN. To suggest he was saying it’s a man’s game and therefore it’s not a woman’s game is an absolute nonsense.

Exactly.

[Ninja]

I think it was when you complained about equality as being “shoved down our throats” that I first suspected you weren’t 100% cool with it

Equality I'm fine with. Trying to blend the men and women's games together, I'm not. But you knew that already