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What is going on here? Obviously the standard response is that we cannot question desperate people fleeing war etc, but Albania is peaceful and so is France, so what is going on?
12,000 arrived by boat this year compared to 50 in 2020, (admittedly, covid year), 800 in 2021 and now 12,000 in 2022.
Yet Albania had the same democratically elected socialist government in all of those years. What has changed?
Seems to be a growing understanding that something pretty serious is amiss, with there being a huge back log in cases, an inability to deport and costs of £7m a day to house. More and more stories are leaking out about the situation.
In all seriousness though, for those who claim this is desperate people fleeing and not mass abuse of the system, what has changed in Albania since last year?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...es-to-be-heard
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...boat-year.html
well you fecked up by giving links to the fail and the guardian
1000 people landed on saturday.
Migration holding centre firebombed today
Just one weekend making it clear this needs sorting urgently.
I think we should send them to Rwanda
The Rwanda nonsense is some red meat for the Tory right-wing to gorge on.
Meanwhile, the Tory cabinet, plus the official Opposition along with the minor parties have nowt to say about the Calais to Dover dinghy shuttle service.
Rwanda policy unquestionably is designed as a deterrent not as a serious long term plan to house thousands.Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Agree on the second point. People have been warning about this for a long time. I think we have witnessed a mass exploitation of our asylum system and I don't think it will play well with people.
How is that going?
Remind me, are the UK Government all for immigration this week or are we still sending them to Rwanda?
If this continues for much longer, I'm going to be thinking about fleeing to Albania.
It hasn't happened Eric. Lawyers intervened. Now we are housing and feeding 40,000 people this year alone, many of whom it would seem come from a peaceful democratic country.
All for legal, controlled immigration I believe Bob.
That's great news; they should help to fill the shortage of labour.
It's almost like when everybody was telling you it was bluster, not a serious policy, illegal and unworkable, they were right.
Good story. I prefer Jack and beanstalk though.
James, if you can determine that these people have no claim to asylum (and I'm inclined to go along with that in the most part) then why does it take the government so long to do what's required and send them back to Albania?
In the background you work on a diplomatic long term solution with France and Albania and problem solved (which it seems this week's version of the Tory party is at least partially trying now)
Or you waste an entire term in government focusing on a cost unknown unworkable immoral policy to send all illegal immigrants to Rwanda.
Wait is this unplanned? We've gotten back control of our borders no?
Is that "I'm allright Jack" Suella?
So, is it an “invasion” today or is Jenrick right when he says Ministers have to be careful about the language they use?All for legal, controlled immigration I believe Bob.
Language does matter, and it's entirely the wrong word to use. Not least as it's a gift to the opposition who can be outraged over a word instead of actually thinking of solutions to the problem costing us now billions a year.
So, the use of “invasion” is only wrong for tactical reasons?
No, saying 'not least' doesn't imply that. It's wrong because it's inaccurate and insensitive and also a political mistake because it's allowing her opponents to do as you are doing here - pick up on a word to avoid addressing the far bigger issues.
I just find it funny that when they’re in trouble, the Tories start talking about immigration, it’s as regular as clockwork. The “far bigger issue” as you call it has been largely ignored since 2016 when it was used to help win the Brexit referendum.
Tbf, and as I've been saying on here for months, the situation has been building all summer. The spark seems to have been some parliamentary committee last week when a lot of facts seeped out which got a lot more media attention.
I agree though, and it's ironic given they have been in power for 12 years, but on dealing with issues like this they will always appear stronger and be comfortable being so.
I imagine numbers arriving this way will see a sharp decline in coming months, so they have a period of time to try and clear the backlog and sort things out, because I don't think the country would tolerate another summer of it tbh.
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