City far too close to the drop zone going into the World Cup.
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City far too close to the drop zone going into the World Cup.
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Two or three players in January in Key positions is required. I don’t think we are too far away.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The songs we sing at home are pathetic, can’t help the players. Sheffield United fans were great in comparison.
Think you’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s our fault
100% I take full responsibility for a professional footballer being unable to pass the football or hit a barn door with a banjo. Must do better.
Who said anywhere it was the fans fault , just saying the atmosphere etc can’t help can it , neither can average referees.
What’s your view ?
If you’re asking why are Cardiff so crap, there’s lots of deeper answers. If you’re asking specifically why we are so crap at home, I’d say it’s more of a fluke when we occasionally play marginally better away.
With regards the fans, the atmosphere will return as soon as some sort of football or positivity does
I was being facetious mate, apologies.
The atmosphere is awful, I get that but that’s because of the dire football we’re being served up. The atmosphere was brilliant at the beginning of the season, full of hope but the players have let us down with their attitude and application.
I agree that the Sheff Utd fans were great, easier to travel in numbers and be vocal when a win takes you top though.
I’m baffled by how poor we’ve become at home. Given the rapid turnover of players these days we’re talking about three different teams and four different managers responsible for us being garbage at home. You can talk about the atmosphere not being as good as it was, but sides build formidable home records with less atmosphere and smaller crowds than us.
Because we are Toothless. The home form being shit probably kicked in after Warnock left (At Championship level) And whatever anyone can say about Warnock and the damage he may have caused etc, hewas never dull enough not to have match winners in his squad. Players like Hoilett, Bamba, Morrison, Zohore, Pilkington, Gunnarson, NML were are capable of getting into a position or forcing the opposition into making a mistake. Warnock was good at getting players to do that kind of thing.
What we have now are an anemic group of players, coaches and successive managers who can't seem to build a system of play at home that also incorporates a winning edge, whether that's through being aggressive off the ball, assertive and quick on it. We are as soft as shit in every respect, we don't have players who are winners, or players like the ones i mentioned above who can drag others up and almost force them to perform. There's no pressure out there.
When things aren't going right then it's the basics that matter. This might sound old fashioned and maybe it is, but where's the character, the players who want responsibility, who is prepared to fail, take risks, get a grip on games, intimidate and bully the opposition? None of them.
Yes, we are attempting to change style of play, and not before timer in my opinion. But we need some character in the team and players who believe in themselves a bit, and better managers and coaches, because we have employed utter dross. The only player out there who looks like he has the intelligence and belief to go out and play, not be intimidated etc, is o'dowda. The rest are weak, lack concentration, don't seem to possess much belief, don't have any attitude, and fold when things are going wrong. That's why we're shit. Big problems ahead for us. We don't look like winning, we haven't got the metal.
I should add Robinson to the list as well as o'Dowda, he looks like he has something.
I wouldn’t argue too much with your analysis of the current crop of players (although I’m encouraged by Philogene’s recent performances), but, as I mentioned, it’s been over three years now. This goes back to a team that reached the Play offs, then a side which included Keiffer Moore scoring twenty goals and Harry Wilson in it, a team which was also a considerable threat at attacking set pieces and yet we only won eight matches at home that season.
It's the management and coaches we employ as well as some of the players. I'm convinced that they may have a handle on coaching, passed all the tests, can say the right things etc, but they seem to lack intelligence in a footballing and management sense, they're boring, anemic, clones. They have nothing about them. Most footballers are dullards, they need someone who can get the best out of them, motivate etc, be seen as someone who the players can respect and believe in. Looking in from the outside, would you be motivated by the likes of Harris, Morison, Hudson and their crew? I don't think i would, i'd probably think that they were clowns, and in Hudson i'd feel a bit sorry for him.
The best managers and coaches have something about them, at all levels, Warnock had something about him, even though he was almost always detrimental after he had left a club. This younger group are more obsessed with the coaching as opposed to the actual motivation and personal management. They look at Pep and Klopp and think that it's just about style, tactics and being brave, it isn't. Those two can go old school when needed, because it's in them not to take a step back, and they would be successful at any level, because they demand better. This lot are shit.
Yes, I think the managers are a more likely cause than the players. For me, Harris played mostly dull football, McCarthy just lost the plot and the football was again dull. I thought Morison had something about him and believe there could be a decent manager there, but he was too prickly, handled certain players poorly and never seemed to know what he wanted tactically - for me he was always overly concerned about the opposition. I don’t know what Hudson stands for - we’re a bit more direct, but, as with Morison, you feel the game is as good as over if this lot fall behind.
I’d agree about a lack of motivation as well, I think Harris was the best of the four as far as getting the players up for a game was concerned. We never really looked motivated once McCarthy signed his contract, based on his public persona, Morison would not have motivated me and heads seem to drop quickly under Hudson.
Spot on ............. I think Kipré , Harris , Allosp are half decent with desire to win .........
We should have been out of sight by half time yesterday. I’m certainly more frustrated when we don’t make chances but yesterday once more we had so many excellent chances and I don’t think we even hit the bloody target with any one of them.
What really gets to me now is any ball pumped up to Mark Harris, every time he stops watching the ball and just watches the defender. He hasn’t got a hope in hell of actually winning the ball.
Warnocks 2019 window was bad.
This summer was the chance of a rebuild.
Sadly this window was an even bigger disaster. I suppose those we are stuck with now for the next couple of seasons are not on big wages.
I dont even think weve got the players to bounce back.
Re: why City have such a poor recent record at home, I suggest two reasons.
In both promotion seasons, City were set up to have a sound defence. The logic is obvious - don't concede gives you a fighting chance of winning. Compare those defences to the current mob - actually don't do that - it's enough to make a fan weep.
Secondly, winning a home game usually means a team is set up to press and attack. This has an important side effect of getting the fans onside. Again, City have been woefully lacking in this respect.
An ideal scenario might be to have a strong defence, a dominating defensive midfielder, two mobile and constructive midfielders, at least one effective winger and one/two strikers who can find the back of the net.
Talk like that will get you a managerial role at the club. Hudson on gardening leave, would you trust him on yours?
Reading the exchanges between you and another poster, constantly reminds me of folk who say that ex-players who understand the game should be referees (if only they could run....)
Wonder what Vincent Tan’s disagreement with Steve Morison was about?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-city-25469143
I don't have the answer overall, but this season it's relatively simple - we don't score often enough when the chances come our way. Signing Robinson might have helped another club in similar situation, but when you have virtually every outfield player incapable of shooting with real threat from a distance or snapping up an easy chance, you've got a bigger problem than one that can be solved bt signing a new 'striker'. Maybe with two recognized goalscorers up front we'll pick up a few more points, but we're always going to be short of goals when the rest of the team doesn't chip in with their share...
The clue is here "Tan felt Morison was way too negative with his team selections and tactics and wants a different approach under Hudson. I've told Mark I have certain expectations," he goes on. "I want him to play more aggressive, attacking football. We need to score goals if we're to climb that table."
P'raps Tan should be given some credit for investing in the red elephant in the expectation of Premiership football.
That read like a spot of interfering to me.
He wasn’t a yes man who would kiss Vinnys shoes.
Championship football is indeed a simple game which is why warnock or a manager like him and players of that ilk are what succeeds , in the absence of cash to splash
We need bodies in defence and the middle
We don't need another centre forward
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